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Has any one ever produced any Piebald varients? Pied x albino, Pied x pastel, anything. n/p

wingert Oct 12, 2004 10:41 PM

np

Replies (9)

Luke9815 Oct 12, 2004 10:47 PM

people are working on it though....
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

wingert1 Oct 13, 2004 12:18 AM

I guess I new that but should have asked why. I am not sure but I think Piebalds were one of the earlier morphs. Along with albinos I would have thought something like this would already have been accomplished. It is proably more difficult than I would think. Let me know your opinions.
Kevin

bachman Oct 13, 2004 01:27 AM

It takes years to prove out a recessive trait, and years more to meet the demand for that recessive trait, and years more to produce double hets from a recessive trait, and more years yet to produce the double recessive trait animal. Hope that made sense.
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Chad Bachman

wingert1 Oct 13, 2004 02:02 AM

Sounds like it takes some time. When it happens it will be the shiz-nit. Whatever comes first will sell for a billion dollars. Just my guess anyway. I vote for Carmel Spider Piebalds het for Gold.
Kevin

RandyRemington Oct 13, 2004 08:09 AM

I guess we'll know when we see one but I personally think it will be hard to improve on the calico look of a "normal" colored piebald.

I've seen a picture of what I think was a wild caught axanthic looking piebald (I think it was in Germany). It was neat but not knock your socks off neat.

Perhaps there wasn't as much early enthusiasm for piebald combos as for other combos based on speculation that they might not be an improvement over normal colored piebalds with their orange, white, and black contrast.

dangerously Oct 13, 2004 08:40 AM

I agree. Nothing is going to be a drop-dead combo with a pied. A simple pastel pied would probably look as good as anything else crossed with it.

Now as far as new morphs, the bubblegum is cool!
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wingert Oct 13, 2004 10:51 AM

That is why I mentioned Carmel. I think regular Albino would not have enough contrast.
Kevin

brandonsander Oct 13, 2004 01:03 PM

It seems that most people want to see recessive crosses with the pied, but personally I agree with you guys. Most of the recessive crosses I picture really are not much of an inprovement (IMO), but some of the dominant and co-dominant (incomplete dominant) crosses could be fairly appealing.

I'd like to see:
Butter x Pied (the girlfriend wants to call it a Putter)
Spider x Pied (I'd call it a Pider or Spied...it just sounds cool...or maybe I'm easily amused)
Pastel x Pied
Platinum x Pied
Pinstripe x Pied

At this point who knows if some of the recessive morphs can even be crossed with the pied trait but I have a good feeling that the dom and co-dom traits could easily be done.
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Luke9815 Oct 13, 2004 09:07 PM

Just because they were one of the "earlier" morphs doesn't mean it was that long ago that they were proven. The Albino and Genetic Stripe were the first to come in in '89 but I think the piebald was first genetically proven in '97?...correct me if I'm wrong....
The market is still very young and strong. "Old" morphs are but a few years old and I'm sure there are still many more to come.....
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

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