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this is a female, pics kind of old. The males get much brighter and I will try to get a pic of him up.

Somehow that doesn't look like a TX Rat to me. Looks more like an Everglades.

Bry

That looks more like an everglades than a texas rat. Where did you get it from? I think I would double check on that.

Here is my glades.
Brian

>>this is a female, pics kind of old. The males get much brighter and I will try to get a pic of him up.
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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

This is definately a tx rat. This gene was found hidden in a luecy tx rat as a simple recessive gene by Terry Walters, I believe it was three maybe four years ago. This gene presents itself differently among males and females. In the females you will get a darker color like the one in the picture, the males are where Terry got the name because they are much brighter and lighter. They are a very beautiful Tx rat morph hopefully someone has some more photos to share (my dial up is too slow to up load). Terry had sold off his collection but I am not sure who ended up with this porject.

TravisG

Decided to sit through the torturous download wait pic really does no justice but you can see the difference none the less. I know Dwight used to have a killer pair of these I wonder if he still does, any pics?

That isn't a Texas Rat Snake. If you go to Kern Reptile, they have photo's of orange morph Texas Rats. It may be a cross but it is mostly Everglades.

I am well aware of what an orange phase Tx rat looks like, scroll down a bit. I am curious as to where you are getting your facts? "It's mostly everglades", how can you make that determination? Is it because you have not seen one so it must not exist? This is a simple recessive gene produced from a luecy Tx rat, animals het. for this gene look like completley normal Tx rats. Orange phase is not a simple recessive gene hence an outcrossing to a normal tx rat will still produce high orange offspring.

I have a both a Texas Rat Snake and an Everglades Rat Snake. The Everglades looks just like yours and the Texas doesn't. I also have a few field guides with photos, and none of the Texas Rat photos look like yours but all of the Everglades Rat Photos do.

So, lets try this again. Besides your being told that it is a Texas Rat, why do you think it is a Texas Rat Snake? What about these snakes that we cannot see in the photos would lead you to believe that they are Texas Rats? This is nothing against you, but you have posted photos that are typical of Everglades Rat Snakes and you keep saying that they are Texas Rats.

Clearly this will go nowhere. If you would like to e-mail me I could explain the genetics. Any integrade or hybrid will at least somewhat resemble characteristics of both parents, on the other hand an animal with a recessive gene that is not presenting itself (e-mail me I'll explain why) will have the "normal" phenotype. When you breed two animals het. for lets say tangerine hypo (they will look completely normal) you can get tangerine hypos, normals, and hets.

Thanks

There sould be one small diffrence to seperate the two.Texas rats have a gray colored head and everglades do not.

Looks a lot like the motley's i got from Terry Walter

Motley tx rats? I havent seen those yet. Do you have pics?

ot yet but i will try to find the camera

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1.0 - Late 2003 Yellow Rat Snake 15 2/3"
0.0.1 - 2003 Banded California King Snake 29 2/3"
1.0 Green Anole
0.0.0 House Gecko
0.1 Painted Turtle

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>>Reptiles
>>0.1 - Early 2002 Anery Motley Corn 33 1/2"
>>1.0 - Late 2003 Yellow Rat Snake 15 2/3"
>>0.0.1 - 2003 Banded California King Snake 29 2/3"
>>1.0 Green Anole
>>0.0.0 House Gecko
>>0.1 Painted Turtle
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>>Mammals
>>4 female ferrets,1 male cat and 1 male doberman...and a few kids!
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>>RIP - Nala my Rottie 08/19/2004

Without question it is a glades. He can talk gentics and try to convince himself that it`s some kind of new texas coloring, but I would bet any real test would show that it is a glades; or at best a cross between the two.
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Like I said; I`m Gonna Getcha Good!

What makes you think that you are right.Why s there always somebody who needs to think possitive.Cant you just accept the fact that there is somthing diffrent.

What makes you think that you are right.Why is there always somebody who needs to think negative.Cant you just accept the fact that there is somthing diffrent. Something you havnt seen or heard of.Stop critizing people.Quit degrading people and congradulate him.

>>What makes you think that you are right.Why is there always somebody who needs to think negative.Cant you just accept the fact that there is somthing diffrent. Something you havnt seen or heard of.Stop critizing people.Quit degrading people and congradulate him.

Mainly because I have eyes that tell me what I`m seeing. I have been keeping snakes probably before you were born. I know a little something about texas and everglade rats since I have own both.

Now you can not convince me that there is not everglade genes in that snake. It may very well be a texas rat BUT I`ll bet WHAT EVER you want that IF a genetic test was done it would show everglade genes, and that is my opinion.
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Like I said; I`m Gonna Getcha Good!

cant save save emthem all

I wouldnt to talk genetics to intelligently discuss the origins of a snake, so we will talk about color. When a tang hypo is bred to a normal all the babies look 100% normal, if it were a cross they would still have high color. It gets better, when the babies are bred back to each other some come out completely normal colored and others look like tang hypos. I am not trying to sell anything here, I usually give away most of my hatch, so I really dont care if you believe me but outcrossing and such IS the way you can determine is a trait is a morph or an anomaly. This is not a new morph it has been around about 4 years. Why do people automatically assume its not a "new" morph unless its an aztec-motely-sunkissed-purplephase-banded cornsnake?

Have fun

Just that it has the classic Everglades "look" to it.
1. Orange iris
2. Yellow on the mouth/jaw
3. Orange coloration with faded lines running down the back

I just have never seen a Texas rat look so much like an everglades.
Brian
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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

Your correct, there are some similarities. The similarities are less obvious in person though (and Tx rats have orange iris' sometimes as well). To each his own, to me these are really beautiful snakes!

>>Your correct, there are some similarities. The similarities are less obvious in person though (and Tx rats have orange iris' sometimes as well). To each his own, to me these are really beautiful snakes!
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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

>>Your correct, there are some similarities. The similarities are less obvious in person though (and Tx rats have orange iris' sometimes as well). To each his own, to me these are really beautiful snakes!

To say there are "some similarties" is like saying human identical twins look some what a like. I will stand by my opinion that if a genetic test was done it would turn up everglade genes.

It still however is a very good looking snake.
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Like I said; I`m Gonna Getcha Good!