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JC Monitor and Frank, where are you?

kap10cavy Oct 14, 2004 08:42 PM

I have some question. I believe I have a gravid sav on my hands.
I have seen some mounting but haven't witnessed copulation.
She could just be making eggs.
She has gotten real fat, real fast. She seems to be having a hard time geting comfortable. Her favorite spot seems to be the water tub. She climbs in and just hangs on with her front feet, letting the rest of her body float.
My questions are.
What is the best substrate for nesting in your opinion?
I have almost 2 feet of yard dirt.
What about temps and humidity?
My temps at this monment are 81 cool side, 93 hot side. 123 basking surface and humidity is at 62.
Should I remove the other sav now?
Wish me luck and give any suggestion you can think of.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Replies (2)

jcmonitor Oct 15, 2004 09:39 AM

Hi Scott,
Sorry haven't been up and about as much on the forums lately.

Ok first things first, as often as I have seen it now, it is still very difficult to get a good view as to whether or not it is viable copulation or not. The only thing I can tell you for sure, my female has now bread for her fifth time this year, is there seems to be a consistency of 18 days post copulation to when she lays. Mind you, this is 18 days post cop, from the last witnessed time they bred, not the first. If she is robust and swollen like a balloon and on the lower half of her body, the chances of her being gravid are better than average. If she has slowed down on feeding as much or at all and is still getting bigger and tighter looking then I would think she probably is.

Now the male, I only remove my male a few days before she is supposed to drop. "My pair" seem to enjoy each others time so I only separate them for a biy, long enough for her to nest and drop in peace then I put him back when the eggs have been collected. Remember this is just my experience and some otheres may remove the male immediatly after the last copulation, but these two have been together since they were hatchlings.

My female is actually dropping again this weekend and this will be her largest clutch to date. She is 1.3 pounds heavier than her last four so I am expecting roughly 35-40 eggs but, I'm sure Frank will agree with me here, never expect anything it will always be a surprise.

As far as nesting goes currently I am using a mix of sand, peat, a little perilite and just plain old dirt. Mixed well and moist enough to just clump but not at all wet. I have switched over to a new enclosure 6X4X4 and the medium is filled up to 18 inches, so mine have room to burrow now and nest properly. My first time out I was using a large sweater box filled with sand and peat, and that just didn't give my female the security or space she really needed. Although I have some nice hatchlings from that clutch it was probably her worst and most stressing dropping to date.

Your temps sound good make sure that she ends up nesting somewhere in the middle of your high and low temp areas. Eggs need to be incubated at 84 degrees give or take and she will nest where that temp is most consistent to that. Just remember we are not talking about surface temp but roughly 8 or more inches below the surface to the egg chamber. Remember, she has no clue your going to go in there and take them all out.

Last thing the moment the base of her hips starts to shrivel up figure 24-48 hours later your going to catch her laying.

Now this is only what has happened to me but from what I have researched this is pretty typical timing give or take a day.

Best of luck. Just remember eggs no matter how bad they may look can still be viable. They cannot be candled, and as I have learned from Frank and from my own experience, it takes almost three full months before any vein work is visible. So incubate them all and if they are duds or are going to die they will and you will know.

Take care,
JC

kap10cavy Oct 15, 2004 08:45 PM

Thanks JC, thats helps. She is still eating although she has gotten alot slower than usual. Poor thing looks like she's going to pop. I am tempted to pick her up and feel her belly but don't want to stress her.
I am going to Lowes tomorrow to get some sand and peatmoss to mix up. I will dig out a section of the dirt and fill with the new stuff but leaving a section of dirt. I figure it won't hurt to give her options.
Guess I need to put a new top on my old snake cage for Baby when and if she lays.
Baby is chasing her all over the enclosure and mounting. I have even sen them sleeping together in the same hide tonight. That has never happened other then under the basking lights.
This is nerve racking and kind of exciting all at the same time.
Man, I hope I get some fertile eggs and don't kill them.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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