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History in the making! You heard it here first. Brady Barr is the first man in history to capture every crrocodile species. My wife (girlfriend actually,) is the massage therapist of Dr. Barr's mother, and Mrs. Barr occasionally brings news snippets regarding her remarkable son to Becky, for me, because she knows I am nuts for reptiles. Dr. Barr works for National Geographic. This is what she brought TODAY! (I have blotted out her name, out of respect for her anonymity.) I just couldn't wait to tell you all!

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Jeremy J. Anderson
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No one in the world ever gets what they want, and that is beautiful. Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.

Maybe it's just me BUT how could you possibly qualify a statement like that?

I was unaware of the 'official' list of who has captured what or know what 6 billion other humans have done. He may be right but how could you possibly know?
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Really, I think that I feel comfortable taking the word of a PHD IN HERPETOLOGY who works for National Geographic over the word of some schmoe on a herp forum. I don't hold a degree in herpetology, and I don't know for sure if anyone else has done this, but Brady seems to think he's the first. I imagine the folks t National bloody Geographic keep stats on this sort of thing.

Troll
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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No one in the world ever gets what they want, and that is beautiful. Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.

Well actually I'm not a troll. And have degrees also. Not that I see how any of this is revelant to the post at hand.

If I was a troll and asked how you can qualify this it would be no less valid a question.

I made a simple statement to how one can qualify this achievement. Simple. And of course get accused of jeolousy. If he is the first great. If not, it's still something to say you did and note worthy.

So be it. I actually doubt the folks at National Geographic keep stats on this type of this.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

I am sorry you were offended, and as for your degrees, I am very happy for you. I hold no degrees, and I am proud of it. I don't have to "qualify" my intelligence or capabilities by saying "I have degrees." So what, on both counts, yours, and my own.

I can't, from a purely epistemilogical perspective, definitively qualify ANY STATEMENT, other than, "I am aware that I exist."
Neither can anyone else.
Apparently your degree isn't in philosophy.

I was just being playful with my reply, particularly the jealous part, you are acting a bit hypersensitive, I think. I did not mean to insult you personally, until now.
I think you are a party pooper, and yes, it's just you.

Why can't you just be happy for Brady?
I think it is a remarkable accomplishment, even if he is the first "documented" person to have achieved it, and not The-Very-First-Human to do it.

I'll remember not to post on the hostile crocodile forum, I thought the boa forum was rough...
Anybody want to say something nice?
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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No one in the world ever gets what they want, and that is beautiful. Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.

n/p

Obviously written by someone not familiar with this forum. In short, someone that doesn't have a clue. Anyone familiar with this forum would recognize CDieter as a serious contributor to the keeping of crocodilians and this forum. Without him and a few others, this forum wouldn't exist. I will admit that most serious keepers are a bit sceptical, but maybe it pays to be with this type of passion. However, with a title like "Snakepimp". . . . . What else would you expect? Kind of reminds me of "Big Snake Daddy".

I apologise to everyone, especially the people mentioned in the previous post. Frankly, I had too much to drink and should have never posted any message. I have embarassed myself, and wish I could delete the post. I wish I could hit rewind. I am sorry.

Number one, I really don't know what your so wadded up about. I pause to even reply to this drivel. But alas, boredom gets the better of me tonight.

>>I am sorry you were offended, and as for your degrees, I am very happy for you. I hold no degrees, and I am proud of it. I don't have to "qualify" my intelligence or capabilities by saying "I have degrees." So what, on both counts, yours, and my own.

Sir, I stated I have degrees as a simple way of saying, so what, the question was one of a qualifier for a statement. Nothing more. It was an idle comment, meaning 'How could one know'. Simple.

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>>I can't, from a purely epistemilogical perspective, definitively qualify ANY STATEMENT, other than, "I am aware that I exist."

>>Neither can anyone else.
>>Apparently your degree isn't in philosophy.
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Actually, In a philosophy course proving you exist is often one of the first, or primer questions. And one of the most difficult. But your correct my degrees aren't in philosophy. But that is neither here nor there. And the word is 'epistemological'. And you most certainly can qualify evidence and statements. Just need the evidence.

>>I was just being playful with my reply, particularly the jealous part, you are acting a bit hypersensitive, I think. I did not mean to insult you personally, until now.
>>I think you are a party pooper, and yes, it's just you.

Hmmm, I'm unsure were I felt insulted. I said I was called jeolous for the simple reason I asked how one knows one is the first to do anything, particuarlly something obscure like this. How I became part of a flame war is beyond me.

But I guess I am a party pooper then. Oh well. I've been called worse.

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>>Why can't you just be happy for Brady?

Who says I'm not. Truthfully how did anything I said imply any emotion whatsoever. If I had a stake in this one way or another perhaps emotion would play a part. As it stands I'm pretty detached.

>>I think it is a remarkable accomplishment, even if he is the first "documented" person to have achieved it, and not The-Very-First-Human to do it.

Nobody took anything away from him. Ask a simple question get a .......well not here. As a matter of fact my question was one of methodology. I never said anything about the man.

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>>I'll remember not to post on the hostile crocodile forum, I thought the boa forum was rough...
>>Anybody want to say something nice?

Asking how they would qualify something is being hostile? I think you have totally missread intent.

The world is upside down.

Best wishes.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

My apologies are yours, I am not here to make enemies. I am sorry, truly that I offended you, and that I felt offended. Thank you for the correction to "epistemological."
I truly do have better things to do than argue and be inflammatory, I don't know what got into me, I just felt a bit insulted, that's true.
Peace to you and yours.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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No one in the world ever gets what they want, and that is beautiful. Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.

No problem. You never really offended me. You misconstrued my intent. Perhaps I was unclear.

Unfortunately this is the longest and most active thread on this forum in quite some time.

We can do better I hope.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

I wonder, are there any Dwarf Caimans, or species that would be relatively practical to keep, for a person of somewhat modest means?
I have always wanted a croc of some kind, but I have never had a spot to keep one. Until now. I have kept several dozend species of reptiles in my life , but have always wanted a croc. I have a 23'x11' room that I want to put an indoor pond in. I don't want it to take up the whole room, however. So, a small croc species, somewhat available. I am willing to pay a decent sum for the right animal.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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No one in the world ever gets what they want, and that is beautiful. Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.

I spoke with Brady's wife a few months back right after they came back from Africa, which was to catch the dwarf crocodiles(Osteolaemus tetraspis), the slender snouted crocodiles(Crocodylus cataphractus), and the Nile crocodiles (Crocodylus niloticus), I know all three African species were caught and the 23 species has been his goal for some time, so I am glad to hear it appears he has done this. I am humbled as I have only caught 8 species of crocodilians in the wild.

Will be back in Australia at Crocodylus Park with Adam Britton and Grahame Webb coming up this January 2005 to harvest wild Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) eggs in the Melacca Swamp and a trip to the Adelaide River, Northern Territory. Always very exciting!!!

Truly,

Paul Bodnar

If Brady is the first in history to capture all living species of crocodilian that is GREAT !!! If he is not, that's still GREAT!!!. In my opinion it doesn't really matter. What matters is bring the plight of crocodilians to the general public. Any show that can help give crocodilians a positive spin and get more people interested in them the better off we will all be.

John

I agree John.

Exactly.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

I obviously don't know any of you on this particular forum, and I apologize for offending any and all who may have been.

I think it is just amazing to think of capturing a croc in the wild, and I give my utmost humble respect to thos such as yourself who have. Good luck with the other 15 species Paul.

Thanks for the post, too.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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No one in the world ever gets what they want, and that is beautiful. Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.

n/p

Brady would only need backing up if someone was attacking him. I'm glad he reached his goal.

To repeat my entire question was how can one qualify being the first to do this? Perhaps he is perhaps not. That was my entire, obviously unclear point.

egads.

>>I spoke with Brady's wife a few months back right after they came back from Africa, which was to catch the dwarf crocodiles(Osteolaemus tetraspis), the slender snouted crocodiles(Crocodylus cataphractus), and the Nile crocodiles (Crocodylus niloticus), I know all three African species were caught and the 23 species has been his goal for some time, so I am glad to hear it appears he has done this. I am humbled as I have only caught 8 species of crocodilians in the wild.
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>>Will be back in Australia at Crocodylus Park with Adam Britton and Grahame Webb coming up this January 2005 to harvest wild Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus) eggs in the Melacca Swamp and a trip to the Adelaide River, Northern Territory. Always very exciting!!!
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>>Truly,
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>>Paul Bodnar
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Dear Croco-philes:
I received a cryptic e-mail asking me to post anything I had in archives about anybody having a collection of all "23 species of crocodilians". After reading the threads, I'm offering the following just as info ... I don't have the knowledge, background or expertise to confirm or deny the accuracy of any of the press snippits claiming who has how many species ... so I have not culled them in anyway. I've only posted excerpts to keep the length down.
respects
Wes
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WASHINGTON POST 22 November 98 Exit 95, Florida.: Later, Gators
You can't go to Florida without seeing at least one alligator, so what could be better than seeing 1,500 of them?
Well, just about anything, if the thought of hundreds of piercing eyes following your handful of Gator Chow gives you pause. If it doesn't, take a 15-minute detour off I-95 and scamper into the St. Augustine Alligator Farm, which, in a city full of the Oldest This and the Oldest That, proclaims itself the world's oldest gator attraction.
Opened in 1893, the farm is home to a pile of reptiles, as well as monkeys, emus, parrots and a petting zoo with barnyard animals. Most interesting of all, perhaps, is the boardwalk that winds through the Land of Crocodiles, the only place on the globe you can see all 23 species of the narrow-jawed beasts. We wandered about for 45 minutes, opting to bypass the stage shows (hourly presentations feature alligators, other reptiles or birds) and concentrate on the huge Alligator Swamp, where we watched them slither and yon. …

THE HINDU (Chennai, India) 05 September 00 New additions to Crocodile Bank
Chennai: Three juvenile unrelated Yacare caiman (Caman yacare) have been recently added to the reptiles collection of Crocodile Bank on the East Coast Road.
Found in Central South America, the Yacare caimans were a gift from the Danish Crocodile exhibition, Denmark. These caimans live in marshes, lagoons, lakes, and rivers, says Mr. P. Gowri Shankar, Education Officer of the Bank.
The new comers to the bank which measure 65 cm in length, have not been exhibited. Fish, crabs and grasshoppers are the main diet for the reptiles, say the Bank authorities.
With the acquisition of the new species, the gene pool of the Crocodile Bank had risen to 11 species. The world over, there are 23 species of crocodiles and efforts will be made acquire all of them and to create gene pool of each of them, said Mr. Nikhil Whitaker, Bank Curator.
http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/2000/09/05/stories/0405401v.htm

MANILA TIMES (Philippines) 07 April 02 My Life as a Croc Doc (Dr. Brady Barr, host of Crocodile Chronicles)
I’ve always had a fascination with animals, especially reptiles.
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Croc Doc Brady Barr has circled the globe searching out crocs of all shapes and sizes in his lifelong quest to capture and study all 23 species of crocodiles. Along the way, he’s picked up some pointers about what to do and, perhaps more importantly, what not to do when face-to-snout with a giant croc.
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http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2001/dec/16/weekend/mainwek.html

TRIBUNE-REVIEW (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) 05 December 02 Exhibit gives glimpse of crocodile's much-larger ancestor (Derek J. Fuchs)
Photo: This skeletal cast of the giant prehistoric crocodilian is part of the traveling "SuperCroc" exhibit at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. (Steven Adams)
Any tourist can take a boat ride through a Florida swamp, look over the edge of the boat and find an alligator or a crocodile drifting by in the water. Alligators might be 13 feet long, crocodiles might measure 16 feet, and both crocodilians have jaws full of teeth larger than nails.
They just don't grow 'em like they used to, though.
Certain species of prehistoric crocodilians — which are part of the "SuperCroc" exhibit opening Saturday at Carnegie Museum of Natural History — could grow longer than 40 feet, roughly the length of a city bus. And they had teeth as thick as railroad spikes.
These monster crocodilians lived in rivers and lakes during the Cretaceous Period — 144 million to 65 million years ago — feeding on large fish and possibly small, terrestrial dinosaurs who stepped too close to the water's edge.
The most complete skeleton yet found of one of the creatures, a Sarcosuchus imperator, was discovered in 1997 by a team led by paleontologist Paul Sereno. To find out which modern-day crocodilians resemble the 110 million-year-old creature, Sereno joined with reptile expert Brady Barr to examine the 23 species of crocodilians around the world.
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/entertainment/s_106061.html

PITTSBURGH POST GAZETTE (Pennsylvania) 09 December 02 Traveling exhibit brings crocodile's ancestor to Natural History Museum - Snakes, and later, gators (Byron Spice)
Brady Barr was still newly transplanted from Indiana to southern Florida on the day he first ventured out into the Everglades. A graduate student in herpetology at the University of Miami, he was looking for snakes, but it was a baby alligator that caught his eye.
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By early next year, in fact, he expects to have captured every species still existing in the wild.
"No one has ever captured all 23 species of crocodile," he noted.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20021209crocsci4p4.asp

NEWS & OBSERVER (Raleigh, N Carolina) 14 March 03 A croc to beat all crocs (Wendy Hower)
I don't know what it is about crocodiles -- but kids love them. My son and daughter watched with slack-jawed intensity as baby alligators snapped up frozen rats one afternoon at the Museum of Life and Science in Durham. Dylan, almost 6, is still talking about "T.M. The Gator Guy," who stuck his head in a gator's jaws at Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.
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Saturday also brings a visit by croc expert Brady Barr, who pieced together a theory on SuperCroc's lifestyle and stars in the National Geographic show "Reptile Wild." He'll speak and answer questions at 11 a.m. and 1 p.m.
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Some people collect stamps. Barr collects crocodiles. To reach his goal of capturing all 23 species of crocodile around the world, Barr must find seven more. Before he arrived in Raleigh, he was in Costa Rica examining the contents of alligator stomachs.
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http://newsobserver.com/features/story/2320802p-2177389c.html

NEWS TODAY (Chennai, India) 05 September 04 Want to take care of Ally?
Chennai: Ally turned two on Wednesday. The occasion called for celebration and the Madras Crocodile Bank (MCBT) did it in style.
Wondering why the MCBT came into the picture? It would become obvious when you know who Ally is.
She is the first American Alligator (Alligator mississippiensis) to have been born in captivity in the country. Ally hatched in the Madras Crocodile Bank (MCBT) on 1 September, 2002.
While MCBT would find it a a little difficult to celebrate the birthday of each crocodile in the bank, which numbers around 2,500 now, Ally's was certainly a deserving case for celebration Today, the healthy baby measures 74 cm.
American Alligators are usually found in the southeastern United States. They live in approximately 9 million acres of wetlands called the Everglades situated in Florida.
So what is Ally doing in the Madras Crocodile Bank? MCBT is also a centre of herpetology. It has 14 of the 23 species of crocodilians found on the planet.
And it aims to bring all the 23 species to the croc bank to make it a one-stop-shop for nature enthusiasts who are interested to learn about crocodilians.
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http://www.newstodaynet.com/05sep/rf8.htm

Wes,
Nice job, doesn't St.Augustine have all 23?
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

They do have all 23 species there. I do not know if all of them are on display though.

They have all 23 on display. My girlfriend used to keep there.

Greetings All,

The Alligator Farm & Zoological Park in St. Augustine, FL does have all 23 crocs. I visited last weekend and had the opportunity to speak with John Brueggen, General Curator. They have a nice setup and future plans to begin breeding projects with several of the reptiles at their facility.

If you find yourself near there it is well worth the price of admission. Don't forget to print out the coupon!!

Art
Alligator Farm