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Just wanted to know when they should be hibernated, at what temperature and for how long?

I really, really, really hope you are joking/trolling.

I would hibernate them for about a year at temps of 78 NTL to 88 DTH.

Maybe he really didnt know,
But seriously, I tried to ask a question about Macklots and was ignored.

Maybe you can help? What's a good weight/age to breed them at? And do they need to be cooled? I cannot find any info on this!!!

Thanks
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FireDrake

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I don't keep macklots, so I'm afraid I can't help you there. I would guess though, the way they eat, that anything over three years old would probably be breedable. Looking at your post down below, your pair still seem too small--I would expect that most females are on the other side of 2,000 grams before producing fertile clutches--though again, given the variance between locality, and my inexperience, I wouldn't quote me here.

If you do a search, there are a couple of people who have posted about breeding their macklots, I think Bob Garby (?) is the one that comes to mind first.

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FireDrake

1.2 Corn Snake - Basilisk, Belladonna and Kestrel
1.1 Tangerine Honduran - Hellboy and Watchtower
0.1 Western Hognose - Midori
1.0 Ball Python - Mandrake
0.1 California King Snake - Deneb
2.0 Jungle Corn Snake - Lestat and Uruk-Hai
1.1 Macklots Python (Timor) - Velociraptor and Wraith
1.1 Mali Uromastyx - ET and Aughra
0.2 Bearded Dragon - Chupacabra and FoxGlove
0.1 Rose-hair Tarantula - Shelob
0.1 Cinnamon Pearl Cockatiel - Bubo
2.0 Society Finch - Pesto and Clockwork
3.0 Bettas - Hydra, Maticore and Kraken
1.0 DSH Cat - Bartelby Firecat

Ummm...so would you mind explaining that to us mere amateurs? What was wrong with that question?

I thought you were being sarcastic.
Since you are serious, I highly suggest you research python keeping in general, as most species can be kept very similarly.

Essentially you should be keeping them at the same temperature year round. They are tropical species--if you were breeding them, you would have a SLIGHT cooling period, along with a shortened photo-period, but unless you are breeding them, don't worry about that. Just keep them in an enclosure where there is a temperature gradient of about 78/80 to 86/88---ie, a cool side and a warm side. I do not think you will see any problems if you keep them like this 24/7, 365 days a year.

Brumating is something that is done with species that are from temperate areas. If you "hibernated" a tropical python, you will end up with a dead snake--most likely from a prolonged respiratory infection.

Burmese, Royals, Macklots, Water Pythons, Retics, etc. etc. can all be kept with pretty much the same "basic" guidelines. I highly sugggest you do a search for the caresheets for these animals and implement your findings immediately.

brumation is something tropical reptiles do, hibernation is something temperate animals do. and tho 78/80 to 86/88 is a good ambient temperature to shoot for, BUT, you left out the basking area! this should be 92 to 95 degrees. as for brumating macklots, i have limited expierience, i cooled and bred my macklots once before i sold them and the failed to produce, too yongue i think, however, i stuck with a pretty standard regimine of lowering the temps at night, i went for 68 to 72 degrees at night, warmed up to about 82 durring the day, with no basking spot until after i seperated the pair for good. this is pretty standard, for almost all of the more common pythons! asnd finally for reference, and these are not encyclopedia definitions,

brumation: the minor cooling and possible maniuplation of light cycles to induce breeding or fertile eggs in tropical reptiles.

hibernation: the major cooling, and often total darkness, needed to induce breeding or fertile eggs from temperate reptiles.

hope i was able to help clear up some confusion, if you think i can help more feel free to email me!

Jay
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Jaymz
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Yeah, should have been clearer on that. I was tired. I am planning to get a female for my male so I want a cooling period. He is kept with the temp.gradient at the temps you mentioned. BUT....I've had conflicting opinions on whether or not he's a Dunns or not. He's a lot better looking than the normals I've seen but not really like the handful of Dunns I've seen photos of either. I haven't got access to a scanner at the moment but he is quite a pale olive colour with a fair amount of speckles. Do any scale numbers differ, or does anyone have some really good pictures?

Thanks.

But they are wrong.

Hibernation and brumation are not limited to producing viable ova.

Conventionally, mammals hibernate and reptiles/amphibians brumate. This was thrown into contention a number of years ago, and now both words are used in a variety of ways, but your definitions are news to me.

As to the depths of the cooling cycle I can only defer to your experience. In terms of hotspots, I do not provide "basking spots" of 95 degrees to any of my boids. Nocturnal reptiles just aren't big baskers.

In advance.

my intent wasnt to start a flame war, it was to help clarify something for someone. which is why i made it clear they were not correct definitions, but, interestingly enough the words "brumate, brumation" arent even in the dictionary! i got curious and went looking, lol. however about basking, ive seen quite a few nocturnal snakes in a nice bright patch of sun early in the morning or late in the afternoon, as well as catching some heat from sun warmed roads after nightfall. i see all of my pythons regularly bask and then move from the heat, and then repeat it later in the day. there are also records of scrub pythons, my favorite animals on earth, and carpet pythons, im sure there are others, sticking a coil out of a hole in a tree and shifting around to bask. again, these are just my personal observations and things ive learned over the years researching and talking to people with more expierience than i. ill apologize if i caused any confusion by trying to simplify something for someone. a non-heated debate was nice tho!

Jay
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Jaymz

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