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Just from the pictures I've seen it sure looks like it could be a yellow belly pastel.

Do you have any info on the parents, if either of them could have been a yellowbelly? It would be nice to see it being inherited. This might be an example of someone picking a nice looking female without realizing it was a yellowbelly to breed to a pastel and producing the combo without even knowing it. Sort of like I think some genetic high yellows might have been crossed into some pastel lines to produce the nice looking pastel siblings.

You'd probably get a better opinion by writing to some of the people that have proven theirs. But just judging by the pictures I've seen, I'd say it looks pretty good. Who did you get it from and what was it sold to you as?

Mark

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Who has proven Yellow Bellies??

Rumor is that The Snake Keeper produced the Ivory from a pair of yellow bellies but I've never seen a belly picture from their line so you might not be able to get that confirmed.

I think several people have produced more yellow bellies from a yellow belly parent (male?) including someone named Amir (Snakes at Sunset?). Also I think Jared Horenstein has produced some or at least he has been about the best source of pictures and information about yellow bellies. I think there have been a few others who have proved it genetic even if they haven't het produced a homozygous animal.

If your pastel had a parent with the same belly then your line has also been proven genetic even if no one knows for sure if it's the exact same thing as others are calling yellow belly or what the homozygous will be.

the guy who produced Ben Siegals yellowbelly pastel
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Amir, but don't forget the Bell's produced a couple this year also. Jared Horenstein did not produce the Ivories, Amir did, and he made that clear when he posted the pics of it.
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Chad Bachman

I forgot someone actually produced more Ivories and not just more yellowbellies.

Who all has reproduced just the yellowbelly part?

I'm not sure about Yellowbellies, but I imagine more than most of us know.
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Chad Bachman

Ivory producers that I've read of so far: Amir Soleymani(Snakes At Sunset), the Sutherlands, the Bells, and Upscale Reptiles (Doug Beard if i remember correctly).

So, atleast FOUR proven lines of yellowbellies being visual Ivory hets.

I can't imagine anyone has hatched out any Ivories without announcing it or posting pics on the web. Why? Simply put, everyone knows the 'recipe' to make the Ivory and hatching Ivories right now is great publicity for established breeders and a chance for unestablished breeders to make a name for themselves.

BB

I said there are probably people who have produced Yellowbellies without announcing it to everybody here.
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Chad Bachman

Just saw the new RinL post above. Did you also get yours from MKR?

I would think they would know if they had a yellow belly in their pastel project but it wouldn't be the first time a subtle morph slipped through. Apparently TSK didn't pay much attention to the het red axanthics when they produced the first ones. Kind of makes you give a little more weight to the "is my pet store snake a morph" posts. You never know, a few of those could be hets for more striking co-dominant morphs.

Conversely, isn’t a pastel supposed to have a mostly white belly anyway? I guess that complicates things. Some non-yellowbelly gene might make a passable look-alike when combined with pastel. The pastel could be providing the white belly and some other gene could be causing the yellowbelly like broken up checks at the edge but not be anything like the yellowbelly gene (i.e. not have Ivory for a super).

You just wanted an opinion on how it looks. I think it looks great. I figured that was a deffinite yellow belly and you were just showing it off. Opinion on if that is a yellow belly..well the magic 8 ball says "signs point to yes"

www.grazianireptiles.com/Pastel Yellow Belly.htm ...
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it definately looks like something different, because it doesnt look like a yellowbelly, yellowbell pastel, or a pastel. It might be a super pastel? or it might be something new? anyway good luck with it.
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)

"scientia est vox"

I don't know about it being a "yellow belly" but it is definitely different looking. A lot of yellow tipping like a jungle carpet python. Here's a belly shot of my pastel male for comparison. Again, yours is definitely unique. It will be interesting to see what it produces.

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