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BLUE ALBINOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lyran85 Oct 19, 2004 06:47 PM

* Blue Albinos........by late 2005 I will have the first patternless light blue albinos with red eyes. These will be highly sought after.

------ from the ron tremper website. has anyone ever heard of these or seen one or have pictures? i want one of these so bad

Replies (21)

Evangelus Oct 19, 2004 11:00 PM

Yeah, I read that a quite a few months ago, I'm still excited, lol. I've never actually seen pictures, but all I know is I want one.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Lined Snake: Monty(Released back into the wild!)
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: No name yet, lol.

GreggMM Oct 20, 2004 04:52 PM

You have not seen them because they do not exist.....

Evangelus Oct 20, 2004 06:32 PM

Gregg, they're in the making right now. Ron Tremper has been working on them, so of course we haven't seen the actual result.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

dispute21stars Oct 21, 2004 01:29 PM

Britney is 1 awesome chica

Evangelus Oct 22, 2004 01:52 PM

So flattering. :O
Thanks, lol.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

geckogod2 Oct 20, 2004 07:55 PM

the blue albinos is just a trade name, but there are no real"blue" leos in existence.. more than likely it will be the result of blending pigments.. think along the lines of what a lavender corn snake is like and all the varieties of anerythristic in between black and white..they are probably just refining the "lavender" in leo to take on a blue hue.. thats my take on the project..

Evangelus Oct 20, 2004 10:27 PM

That's exactly what they are-- Pure lavender Albinos AKA "The Blue Albino" as Tremper calls them.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

Triad Oct 21, 2004 07:51 AM

I cannot wait until I can see the finished product. If they look good and can go in with my regular one, then I'd probably get a boy.

If he posts more info, can you post it on here for us all? Thanks
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2 mali uro's-Ares and Apollo
2 saharan uro's-Orion and Iris
2 bearded dragon-Hades and Draco
1 leo gecko-Kalypso
1 tokaye gecko-Sid Vicious
1 tarantula-Peter Parker
1 dog-cheeka
1 zebra finch-beeps
1 african gray parrot-keya
1 red headed parrot-pancho
And some fish

Evangelus Oct 21, 2004 01:04 PM

If I find anything I'll post some information or pictures, I'll of course give credit to whoever provided the information.

But we may not see anything for a few more months now.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

GreggMM Oct 21, 2004 03:53 PM

You are not going to see any blue albinos..... You will not even see any pure lavender leos..... You have not seen any pics or any info because there has not been anything even close to that being produced.... If you do not want to take my word for it that is fine..... If it turns out that there are "blue" albinos then I will stand corrected..... Here is Rons logic on creating a blue albino.... He produced an albino leo with purple eyes.... According to him the eye coloring has something to do with the skin color..... That is complete nonsence..... He said he produced a leo with purple eye and red and blue makes purple so it is possible to make a blue albino..... Does this make sence to you??????? What does eye color have to do with the skin color of a leo???? I will tell you..... ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

Evangelus Oct 21, 2004 06:46 PM

First off.. Take a chill pill, okay there?

Second, yes, there will be a pure lavender Albino available soon. Guess how he does it, pal? SELECTIVE BREEDING. Through selective breeding you can produce a gecko carrying the traits passed on from it's parents to result in bolder patterns, colors or markings. How do you think they created a Super Hypo Tangerine??? It's a drawn out period of selecting parents with less and less spots every season, then breeding the babies to other nearly spotless babies next season.. SO, my point is.. The way to do this is take an Albino with an excessive amount of Lavender and breed it to another Albino with a good amount of Lavender and start from there. Obviously he has been working on this for a while, Gregg. And he will have pure lavender Albinos AKA "The Blue Albino" next year and I stand by what he said because it's perfectly believable.

Perhaps you should do a little more reading on breeding leopard geckos for traits or genetics before you go saying it won't happen.

Ron Tremper says he will have these by late 2005. This means the actual RESULT. Right now I'm sure he has Albino Leopard geckos with PLENTY of Lavender and he's building up to the final result as time goes by. How does this not make sense to you? Reread what you're saying.. You're basically calling this impossible and saying it cannot and will not happen. Hopefully this clears that up.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

GreggMM Oct 21, 2004 07:40 PM

Britany,
You realy do not need to explain selective breeding to me..... I have been selectivly breeding reptiles for well over 15 years...... I have bred leos when high yellows were the big craze....... I am working with SHTCT, SHT, and hybinos right now........ And on top of all of that, I have been selectivly breeding gaboon and rhino vipers for well over ten years..... I know how it works...... I am just saying there is all this talk about "blue" albinos and there is absolutly nothing to back it up..... No pics, no info.... I do not need to take any pill.... Actually you are the one that got into a tissy over what I said..... And how can you stand by someone you do not know???? Anyway I will believe it when I see it......

Evangelus Oct 21, 2004 08:34 PM

I'm sorry, you just came on like you had no idea about selective breeding.. Sorry to say. Because Ron Tremper has been into Leopard Geckos before anyone, he's the Leopard Gecko King. He knows what he's doing, he's got his own strain of Albino.
He's produced many other various patterns and morphs before anyone else as well. I'm just saying that he's a reliable source for that sort of information-- That quote was straight from his website..
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

Triad Oct 22, 2004 08:42 AM

It is possible for skin color to determine eye color.

Biology 101- blue eye mom, blue eye dad always produce blue eyed children.

Art (in kindergarten) red and blue makes purple. Now that's pure paint that will make the purple. But if the genetics are correct then it is possible for a red eyed father and a blue eyed mother to produce purple eyed children. Because the genetics in question will mix together so the child gets 1 eye gene from dad and 1 eye gene from mom.

I'm not saying I'm an expert but this is my opinion.

You can get a blue albino by selectively breeding it with others. All you have to do is try and try and try. If he can get even close to a blue he will still have succeeded.
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2 mali uro's-Ares and Apollo
2 saharan uro's-Orion and Iris
2 bearded dragon-Hades and Draco
1 leo gecko-Kalypso
1 tokaye gecko-Sid Vicious
1 tarantula-Peter Parker
1 dog-cheeka
1 zebra finch-beeps
1 african gray parrot-keya
1 red headed parrot-pancho
And some fish

GreggMM Oct 22, 2004 07:18 PM

Genetics are simple, but not as simple as you put it.... Besides, if you read my post alittle better you would know that Ron (the leopard gecko king hahahahahaha) said that the eye color has something to do with the skin coloration..... The two have nothing to do with eachother..... Having a purple eyed leo does not mean you will get leos with blue skin... I am telling you it is a dead end project..... You need to figure what color on a normal turns lavender on an albino..... Come on people, put two and two together and see what you come up with......

Evangelus Oct 22, 2004 11:29 PM

I totally disagree(Yes, the leopard gecko king hahahaha.........).
He's been doing the Leopard Gecko thing since 1979 actually.
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-Britney

Atlantic Reptiles(In the works)

2.4.1 Leopard Geckos: Ron, Raine, Dream, Tango, Go-Go, Johnneh and Salleh.
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Lil' Little.

GreggMM Oct 23, 2004 08:06 AM

Well atleast we agree to disagree on this subject....LOL

Triad Oct 23, 2004 10:22 AM

>>Genetics are simple, but not as simple as you put it.... Besides, if you read my post alittle better you would know that Ron (the leopard gecko king hahahahahaha) said that the eye color has something to do with the skin coloration..... The two have nothing to do with eachother..... Having a purple eyed leo does not mean you will get leos with blue skin... I am telling you it is a dead end project..... You need to figure what color on a normal turns lavender on an albino..... Come on people, put two and two together and see what you come up with......

About the skin coloration and the eye coloration thing, I'm not racist and I hope by saying this I do not come off as one because that'd be totally untrue but for example, have you ever seen an African American (just african american not a biracial person) with anything other then brown eyes? I haven't, unless the person wears contacts. Native Americans are predispositioned to have darker skin and hazel, blue or brown eyes. I have dark skin and hazel eyes so I fit the stereotypical Native American female.

This is true for people I believe. Not neccessarily for animals though. But who knows what works for one genis might work for another.
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2 mali uro's-Ares and Apollo
2 saharan uro's-Orion and Iris
2 bearded dragon-Hades and Draco
1 leo gecko-Kalypso
1 tokaye gecko-Sid Vicious
1 tarantula-Peter Parker
1 dog-cheeka
1 zebra finch-beeps
1 african gray parrot-keya
1 red headed parrot-pancho
And some fish

GreggMM Oct 23, 2004 10:56 AM

You are still obviously missing the point..... I do not know how else to explain this..... Ok, to put it in human terms.... If my dad had blue eyes and my mom had red eyes would my SKIN color be purple???? Ofcorse not.... But that is pretty much what Ron is saying on his site.... Read what it says under the albino leo with purple eyes.... I hope you got it because I cant make it any more simple....

Triad Oct 23, 2004 01:12 PM

I know that. But who knows those genes might have a little ity bit to do with skin color.

But you do have to admit, a red eyed blue bodied albino leopard gecko would be AWESOME!
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2 mali uro's-Ares and Apollo
2 saharan uro's-Orion and Iris
2 bearded dragon-Hades and Draco
1 leo gecko-Kalypso
1 tokaye gecko-Sid Vicious
1 tarantula-Peter Parker
1 dog-cheeka
1 zebra finch-beeps
1 african gray parrot-keya
1 red headed parrot-pancho
And some fish

GreggMM Oct 23, 2004 02:15 PM

It would be awesome..... To tell you the truth I hope I am wrong about him not producing blue albinos....

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