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I'm curious what some of the smaller species of boas are. If you could give me the name and approx. size, i would appreciate it. Also, do reptile shows usually sell cheaper reptiles than petshops?

Another quick comment(Only applies to certain people): For those of you that don't like my questions, just don't reply. I'm trying to gain knowledge here. Believe me, whatever snake that I have or choose to get, its gonna be cared for as good as anyone else would care for it.

can easily be found by just doing an internet search and then......reading. Also, many of the breeders listed on the "breeder" page right here on KS have wonderful information on their websites about the various species and subspecies. Why ask someone to do what would amount to a TON of typing, when you could do this research on your own?
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away"

I am a fulltime student with a part time job. I don't have much free time, so I post things here and check them later. I mean shouldn't some of the experienced people help out the up and coming? Guess not. I am aware that i could do research, I just don't have that kind of time at the moment. I enjoy reading these forums and gaining knowledge, and believe me, i do do alot of research when I have time, I just like to post things here sometimes and hope that someone is courteous enough to answer the question. If someone can answer the question in 3 sentences, It would save me hours of research.

I can appreciate the fact that you don't have a lot of extra time. A lot of people here don't either...whether it be school, work, family, kids, etc... I have to log off and go to work tonight. My point was - there are a lot of subspecies of "smaller boas" and for someone to type out their sizes, characteristics, etc. for you here, would be a task at best, when you could do some searches and find this information readily available.

For instance Rio Bravo Reptile's website has volumes of information like you are seeking, ready for the reading.
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away"

Hog island boas , Cay Caulkers boas , Crawl cay boas , Nicauragan Boas, Corn Island Boas , Sonoran Dessert boas ( i think are a smaller species ) of the ones listed the Hog , Nics are the most easily found to purchase.

As to the petshop over breeders for best deals well thats a toss up . Good quaility boas are worth the weight in gold.most petshops I have seen have uneducated staff and less then desireable husbandry conditions and alot house multiple snakes to save money and room.If you have aworthy petshop it may be worth the purchase but inspect them very well , ask about the health gaurantee's and all that . The breeders online are normally aboutthe same price range shipped and will have a better selection of snakes to choose from and can give background on them.

Most people on the forums dont offer alot of advice to necommers ( not sure why ) just fact of life no offense to anyone. they would rather you do your homework then have to give you answers .

best of luck to you
Alan
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Buisnesses come and go everyday, what keeps you here is how you treated the customer the day before....My Boa Can Kick Your Boas _ss!www.cheapcages.com
Visit the new website while the Jungle gets made over.

With info. on the smaller/dwarf (BCI) check out the Mexican Boa's & Island Boa's at www.riobravoreptiles.com and yes you can get Better Deal's on Reptile's at show's and sometime's even better deal's on the classifieds thru kingsnake.com Petshop's got to much overhead, and most are clueless when it come's to Reptile's, they gotta sell High !
Good Luck, Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

This link will tell you a lot about many of the subspecies of B. constrictor. It is by sslonestar. I have read it a couple of times.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=579653,579738&key=2004

As for being new and not having a lot of time, the more time you take to investigate/research on your own, the more knowledge you will gain. Then you can possibly answer questions before they even come up. I would consider myself pretty new and I think this forum is a great source of information, as long as you are willing to do your own research.

Anything worth having does not come easily.
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Guess What? I got a fever...and the only prescription is more cowbell!

I recommend a hog island boa. I have a young pair that will hopefully grow up to be breeders. There are always some listed in the classifieds. They are one of the most colorful, docile and affordable of the smaller Central American/Caribbean boas. Adults are maybe 6 feet and 15 pounds, much smaller than a common Colombian that can be 10 feet and 50 pounds.

Heres a few,
www.cuttingedgeherp.com
www.riobravoreptiles.com
www.boa-subspecies.com/references
Useing key words like Insular,Locale,Locality,Dwarf etc will net good results.
The reason you get replies like you do here in this forum is do to the "fact"its about 60% Morph Mutt and 40%Cross breeding related. There isnt much tolerence for those that cant drool over orange and white snakes.
Regulars to the board get tired of seeing the same questions time and again on subjects they believe everyone should know before entering this forum,the use of proper spelling,grammar,search keys. You name it they`ll b**ch about it.
Anyway check out Russo's locality page for some good info with pics of snakes that most here dont even know exist.Renfro's site has some real solid info as well.So do take your time and explore everything on those sites,the deeper you dig the more you`ll find.
IMO KS Needs to put up a Locality forum for people that arent impressed with the "candy store" morph/cross's etc.But to date they still turn a deaf ear to the request of the common people.

Good Luck !
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Money Only Wished It Had The Control Over The World That FEAR Does !

>>The reason you get replies like you do here in this forum is do to the "fact"its about 60% Morph Mutt and 40%Cross breeding related. There isnt much tolerence for those that cant drool over orange and white snakes.
>>IMO KS Needs to put up a Locality forum for people that arent impressed with the "candy store" morph/cross's etc.But to date they still turn a deaf ear to the request of the common people.
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Perhaps that might bring an end to the derogatory remarks like yours (above). The "Mutt" comments are insulting and really not necessary. I haven't seen anyone make snide remarks about the snakes YOU like.
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Linda Hedgpeth
lindafh@frontiernet.net
Sierra Serpents

"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away"

The term Mutt is a common term used to describe crossbred,mix-breeds,you take it as derogatory and or insulting ?I guess my opinions of mutt crossed snakes isnt allowed under simple free speech ?Myself as well as many thousands of other keepers take "great offense" to people doing what their doing in regards to common breeding practices.The term I would choose would be more like "exploit".Its a dead issue as those that already care know where the line is drawn and for what reason(s).
I would suggest that you not take offense when someone verbally walks outside your holy huddle and uses common terminology when one express's their interpretation(s).
Your or anyone else are more then welcome to say anything you want about what I keep and or what I like,it doesnt nor will it ever have the slighest effect on their health and well being.

Good Day Mrs Linda

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>>Perhaps that might bring an end to the derogatory remarks like yours (above). The "Mutt" comments are insulting and really not necessary. I haven't seen anyone make snide remarks about the snakes YOU like.
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>>Linda Hedgpeth
>>lindafh@frontiernet.net
>>Sierra Serpents
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>>"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away"
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Money Only Wished It Had The Control Over The World That FEAR Does !

" The reason you get replies like you do here in this forum is do to the "fact"its about 60% Morph Mutt and 40%Cross breeding related. There isnt much tolerence for those that cant drool over orange and white snakes. "

" Anyway check out Russo's locality page for some good info with pics of snakes that most here dont even know exist. "

" You name it they`ll b**ch about it. "

" Myself as well as many thousands of other keepers take "great offense" to people doing what their doing in regards to common breeding practices. "

What "replies" are you referring too? I see several good info listed from these "evil" replies you speak of. Everyone was helpful until you stared whining, the only one who is [bleep]ing here is you.

No one is criticizing locality boas...fact is that 99% of us "horrific morph breeders" enjoy any other boas just as much.

Your taking cheap shots left and right with the condescending comments from your two posts...and we "heathen morph breeders" are supposed to clap and smile while reading that?

Apparently while creating snow boas we are committing some sort of sacrilege in your eyes...boohoo...i guess i should go to church and find Jesus...LOL!!!

Perhaps YOU should use this forum to educate YOURSELF "...its about 60% Morph Mutt..."
riiiiiiiiight...albino...anerythristic...stripe...jungle... arabesque...motley...etc...etc.
Hypo...yea ok...most others...ummm no!

Here are some good sites for YOU to read and learn a few things outside of your "holy huddle" as you called it...
http://www.kingsnake.com/boamorphs/
http://www.pkreptiles.com/
and my favorite....www.bouziosboasgalore.com
B.B.G.

A simple question could have been answered with a simple answer and less time it took to respond with.."Do your research before coming on here".

I don't come on here and post often, but I do happen to read alot of posts that make me wonder about some of the people in this hobby and what their motives are.

I just got back into the hobby after a 10 year absence and I am kind of disgusted by the attitude and demeanor of some of these folks posting on here.

I will be purchasing quite a few boas in the upcoming years. However, I will choose very carefully who I purchase from (even if your boa crapped diamonds).

Lose the attitudes, ego's. Afterall this is a forum for everyone to help, discuss, and just talk about Boas. If you don't want to respond to a post ....then don't. Let them figure it out on their own. I am sure their are enough good folks(that have the time) out there to respond with help or whatever someone might need.

Thanks-

BThacker

np

Gotta love how that keyboard just pins that face to the desk and makes them post right !!
Quit the charming huddle they have,their motives are clear,its money and they dont like folks mess`n with their dough-flow!Gets`em all flustered and **** when someone sticks their finger in their kool-aid LOL!!When this fade pass`s it will be another bunch up in here banging on the same drum they were banging on 10 years ago when the new stuff was being bred and sold to the mass's. What sold for $700 ten years ago wont hardly bring half that these days and this trend is no different. Without internet hype there wouldnt be much of a market.

Just like it was ten-fifteen years ago !

>>A simple question could have been answered with a simple answer and less time it took to respond with.."Do your research before coming on here".
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>>I don't come on here and post often, but I do happen to read alot of posts that make me wonder about some of the people in this hobby and what their motives are.
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>>I just got back into the hobby after a 10 year absence and I am kind of disgusted by the attitude and demeanor of some of these folks posting on here.
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>>I will be purchasing quite a few boas in the upcoming years. However, I will choose very carefully who I purchase from (even if your boa crapped diamonds).
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>>Lose the attitudes, ego's. Afterall this is a forum for everyone to help, discuss, and just talk about Boas. If you don't want to respond to a post ....then don't. Let them figure it out on their own. I am sure their are enough good folks(that have the time) out there to respond with help or whatever someone might need.
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>>Thanks-
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>>BThacker
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Money Only Wished It Had The Control Over The World That FEAR Does !

uhmm
would that be the same "Internet Hype" that causes the sell of the island boas?

would that be the same "Internet Hype" that pushes the high price of the " local Boas"

would that be the same "Internet Hype" That pushes the sales prices up of ALL boas

would that be the same "Internet Hype" that is urging you you to make your post

would that be the same "Internet Hype" that makes ALL breeders more available

would that be the same "Internet Hype" that makes reptiles so popular

Would that be the same "Inernet Hype" that urged you to post this link www.riobravoreptiles.com

Would that be the same " internet Hype" that reffered to a Locality forum

please explain which "internet Hype" you are reffering to since there are soooooo many of them.

There is no more difference of a "hype" in morph boas then locality boas its merely a personal preference , im pretty sure no one is "forcing you to look at the mutts" posted in this forums just as no one is forcing mutt owners to look at locality boas. the difference is IMHO that the Mutt owners can appreciate the locality boas as much as the morphs for what they are ...BOAS but , the locality owners as it looks cant stand the attention that the Morphs or mutts as the ones who are locality breeders seem to call them.It would almost seem that the locality owners are somewhat jealous that there locality boas may not be as popular as the morphs or mutts are ? maybe they bring in more money then the locality boas do ?

Thats like comparing a corvette to a caprice.... there all the same manufacturer but just different models that appeal to different people ... once the old man next door would have had that caprice in his driveway but now he has something that to him looks better and draws more attention to him ... a corvette

its a shame that a arguement is made overthe color of a boa.. almost takes on a "prejudice" attitude that if you dont keep locailty boas you are not worthy.For god sakes there all boas and all equally beautiful as the next. So where does a common plain jane boa rank in your "perfect blue eyed blonde hair" boa race ?
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Buisnesses come and go everyday, what keeps you here is how you treated the customer the day before....My Boa Can Kick Your Boas _ss!www.cheapcages.com
Visit the new website while the Jungle gets made over.

First off I'd like to state that I own pure specimens, intergrades and morphs. I do have a strong affinity towards my Peruvians and Surinames and will not be making crosses with them. But I have bought crosses from folks, just for the sake of having them. Truely captivating to witness a melding of two separate species. As far as the floor falling out of these intergrades and morphs.. a dubious distinction. Even though True Red-Tails will always command a consistantly moderate price, something like an Albino boa will no doubt surpass sales of the prior as soon as the price deflates. To test this theory one only needs to make a parallel with a more established market.. like cornsnakes. The #1 kept and bred snake... survey says.. Amel Cornsnake.
Later-
Matt Schubarth

"Its all about money" i guess that's the popular thing to say if you don't have anything relevant to respond with.

As we know...the general argument is...some don't agree with cross breedings period...while others feel that as long as designer cross bred animals are represented as such, then its all good. Most of us with common sense agree to disagree on that. Considering neither will go away (and shouldn't, there's room for all)...and again, 99.9% of us (obviously you are one of the exceptions) treasure any Hog Island Boa just as much as any sunglow.

Some just have different preferences, but you went off attacking a certain aspect of this trade, that just represents bitterness for whatever reason. To say that most morphs are crossbreeds?!?!...what can i say to that...read a book...educate yourself. I mean...if you at least made a point...then this could have been a pleasant constructive argument, that's one of the beauties of public forums...discussions. I somtimes see ridiculous posts and i usually ignore them, just like i should have yours...but today I was bored.
B.B.G.

>>I'm curious what some of the smaller species of boas are. If you could give me the name and approx. size, i would appreciate it. Also, do reptile shows usually sell cheaper reptiles than petshops?
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>>Another quick comment(Only applies to certain people): For those of you that don't like my questions, just don't reply. I'm trying to gain knowledge here. Believe me, whatever snake that I have or choose to get, its gonna be cared for as good as anyone else would care for it.

I have Sonoran Deserts, Cay Caulkers, and Crawl Cays. All 3 are nice. The crawls are the most expensive, caulkers are going for $150 right now, and Sonorans are $125. Depends on who does the ad however, as I've seen some ridiculously high prices lately.
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My collection and herp photography

www.lowergroundreptiles.net

I've got 1.2 Cay Caulkers and 1.1 Corn Islands. I like both species a lot. I'm looking forward to getting some Hog Island in the near future.

FH

Im a full time student(senior) and i work part time, I agree with Linda. Put forth a little effort. I think THAT type of question is kinda lazy.... If i go to class and dont read the required text for the class...then i ask a basic question...and everyone in the class looks at me with that "duhh" look. Sometimes the teacher might even look a little concerned as to why you are asking that question....Usually what everyone is thinking is "if he/she would have read the text he would know the answer to his question". If you take time to read the text so to speak, then come here with your questions you have about what you have learned, then some people would be more inclined to help you out. I think you should use the forum to help supplement what you read, not read and regurgitate it to you. Its kinda like meeting someone half way...ya know. To me it's very reasonable. If you want to learn in school and in life you cant just ask someone to do it for you..you have to exert yourself a little more. Personallly i love doing the research, the internet and this site make it soo easy. If you ask a simple but broad question and get the simple three sentance answer back, what good is that? If i tell you Hog Island Boa what can you do with the name? Did you just really want the name? Im sure if your in school you know all about effort. Researching reptiles is soo fun, if that was a class i would get an "A". Im guessing if your like the rest of us you want to know more than just the name of the small sub species, which leads me to think you were hoping for more than 3 sentences. Not trying to be harsh...its all good man. Just consider my little analogy with the school scenario... Ok im faling asleep godnight...