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Baby water snake info/id needed

Candoia Oct 21, 2004 11:01 AM

Hello, I normally post in the python or boa forums because that's largely what I keep, but I came across a captive-bred water snake and picked it up. It is beautiful, about 7 or 8 inches tops, gobbles down pinky mice like there is no tomorrow, and is currently kept in a small plastic cage with a small heat pad on one side and a small bowl of water (much like a neonate corn snake).

Now for the questions. It was sold as a Florida banded water snake, but I looked it up in the Peterson Field Guide and saw that there are two subspecies, the Florida water and the banded water. Is the banded water snake generally known as the Florida banded water snake, since it is only in Florida? I do not have a digital camera, but I was wondering if anyone here has pictures of baby florida/bandeds for comparison. Only the adults are illustrated in the field guide. Also, is a diet consisting primarily of feeder rodents sufficient for a water snake? I have hundreds of rodents in my freezer and it would be so easy to continue feeding it just that, instead of picking up feeder fish all the time. I read that larger water snakes will often refuse hairy rodents unless coated with fish ooze. I am willing to keep a few frozen feeders in my freezer for that purpose later on in the snakes life. For now, would two thawed pinkies a week be adequate? Or should I be offering more or less? He eats in a little plastic deli cup with a lid so the substate doesn't stick to the prey item.

I really appreciate your time. Like I said, i have read over many of the posts here and you guys seem to really know your stuff. I'll be back to check for any responces. Thanks.

Joe
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Replies (2)

PiersonH Oct 22, 2004 10:52 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of watersnakes (how's that for alliteration). Yes, a rodent diet is fine for most watersnakes. The only problem you need worry about is obesity!

As for destinguising between the Banded and Florida subspecies, it can be difficult. The subspecies are weakly defined, intergrade over a large area, and look very similar. The main difference is their ventral pattern. Bandeds (fasciata fasciata) have a 'checkerboard' pattern of red or black on a yellowish background. The Florida subspecies (fasciata pictiventris) has horizontal wavy 'worm-like' markings instead of checking.

Also, I've noticed the Florida subspecies to have highly constricted bands laterally, making the band several times wider on the back than on the sides. Banded watersnakes' bands are only slightly wider on the back than on the sides. This is just a general tendency and is by no means true 100% of the time.

Good luck with your new snake.
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Pierson Hill

Herpetology and Herpetoculture

Candoia Oct 23, 2004 10:43 AM

Pierson,

Thanks for the info. I looked it up online and it does appear to be the "banded" subspecies...i found a photo of a juvenile and it looks identical to the snake I own. Thanks for clarifying the differences, much appreciated.

Joe
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2.2 Solomen Island ground boas
0.1 Solomen Island tree boa
1.0 green tree python
1.0 jungle carpet python
1.0 coastal carpet python
1.0 Boa constrictor imperator
0.1 Borneo short-tailed (blood) python
0.0.1 CB Florida banded water snake

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