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This is his first toad scented f/t rat pup. He's also eaten scented mouse pinkies. Gotta love this little guy!!

John

>>This is his first toad scented f/t rat pup. He's also eaten scented mouse pinkies. Gotta love this little guy!!
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>>John

Wow, that is the first leucistic I have seen. Are they rare and expensive? Lovely!
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Marcel Poots (Holland)
'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield
http://www.marcelpoots.com

Is that a Western or Eastern, I cant tell. Awesome either way. I didnt think there were any.

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
7 balls
2.1.10 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, 6 normal, 4 anery )
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
1 fish
1 mouse
3.3 cats

Sorry, he's an 03 male eastern

John

How many of those are there in existence? He sure is sweet.

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
7 balls
2.1.10 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, 6 normal, 4 anery )
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
1 fish
1 mouse
3.3 cats

I do believe he is the only one known to exist.

John

I would like to point out, and I may be making assumptions, but this person is comfortable with feeding this exceptionally rare Eastern hognose a rodent diet.
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"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes (Scientific Progress Goes 'Boink', 1991)

agreed, I'd be feeding him an all Spadefoot diet.

I wouldn't be feeding a wc platirhinos a diet made up of mostly rodents. He would be getting thawed bufo or spadefoots from me. Contact me if you'd like as I have LOTS of experience with ALL of the Heterodon, most notably platirhinos. I will share my experiences. CB easterns do fine on a rodent diet. However, once they have been in the wild for more than a few months, you MUST keep them on amphibians! There's a taste of my future publishing...
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

I recognize that herpetoculture is not an exact science, and if we left it up to scientists to advance this area, we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are today.

But I have to wonder about the basis for your claim about WC hogs MUST be fed amphibians. I would like to point out that the biology and physiology of a hognose doesn't change according to where it was born. Merely the experiences that shape it's "personality" (= preferences) will change.

I would also like to point out (for other forum visitors)that hognoses do not eat exclusively toads in the wild. They eat an unusual amount of invertebrates, and will make entire meals out of turtle eggs and rodents (even like chipmunks!).
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"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes (Scientific Progress Goes 'Boink', 1991)

As far as I know, you have 2 easterns that feed on rodents/fish. That's great, but as you know, science needs numbers. I have kept over 100 eastern hognose over the last 6 years. I have probably produced more cb platirhinos in that time than anyone else. That being said, I am almost ready to reveal my observations on the captive care of platirhinos. I have not the time right now to go into detail, but I will say that if you have cb easterns, start them on mice, and they will be fine! However, if you have wc hogs, you better have a freezer full of toads! I am almost ready to extend this theory to simus as well.

More to come soon...

Colchicine...I had e-mailed you back about hognose with my phone # if you ever wanted to compare notes. I still have not heard back from you, but the offer still stands. I am not looking for an ignorant argument. I am an educator by trade and will educate those who seek information from me. I will share with you my observations.

But certainly, if that leucey was mine, it would be fed NOTHING but thawed amphibians.
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

>>As far as I know, you have 2 easterns that feed on rodents/fish. That's great, but as you know, science needs numbers.

Actually I have 7 Easterns that largely eat unscented mice. Two of which have been eating mice continuously for around 10 years. I have pledged that when any of them goes, I will do a full-blown necropsy to see if an all rodent diet contributed to their death. But then again, who knows when that will happen.

>>I have kept over 100 eastern hognose over the last 6 years. I have probably produced more cb platirhinos in that time than anyone else.

Therefore, your conclusions certainly do carry some weight!

>>That being said, I am almost ready to reveal my observations on the captive care of platirhinos.

I can't wait to see them!

>>Colchicine...I had e-mailed you back about hognose with my phone # if you ever wanted to compare notes. I still have not heard back from you, but the offer still stands.

Yes, and your e-mail is saved. It quickly got buried in my inbox! Right now most my time is consumed taking the last class for my masters degree. I have been planning on working on assembling some eastern hognose information once I am done with this class in December. I apparently never got around to telling you that I would be contacting you then.

>>I am not looking for an ignorant argument.

Glad to hear that! I have had one too many of those on this forum. I can assure you that you would be a valuable resource for me. Thank you for offering.
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"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes (Scientific Progress Goes 'Boink', 1991)

np

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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

I'm curious now. I have had older hognose that were WC that did fine on rodents. What is the reason for keeping older WC hogs on anurans when they will accept rodents without trouble?
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

"Some things will never change. They just stand there looking backwards. Half-unconsious from the pain. They may seem rearranged. In the backwater swirling. There is something that'll never change-The Meat Puppets"

Andy,

Glad to see you back on the forum after your lil..err..encounter. lol Seriously though, glad to hear you're ok. I was worried for ya when I got wind of what happened.

How long did you keep the wc's on rodents? Was this done for 2-3 years or short term?
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

It was long term, at least 2 or 3 if not more years. Lost them when I had a WC snake spread something nasty through my collection.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

"Some things will never change. They just stand there looking backwards. Half-unconsious from the pain. They may seem rearranged. In the backwater swirling. There is something that'll never change-The Meat Puppets"

hmmm...that's interesting. Were they from the east tx area? I have had wc Houston easterns live 2-3 years on rodents, then die without warning.
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

They were Houston area in fact.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: thekingofproduct
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

"Some things will never change. They just stand there looking backwards. Half-unconsious from the pain. They may seem rearranged. In the backwater swirling. There is something that'll never change-The Meat Puppets"

>>hmmm...that's interesting. Were they from the east tx area? I have had wc Houston easterns live 2-3 years on rodents, then die without warning.

Have you gotten necropsies on any these snakes to determine a cause of death?
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"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Governor George W. Bush, Jr.

"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin and Hobbes (Scientific Progress Goes 'Boink', 1991)

No , I have not, but I have started saving the carcases in 45% ethanol for future reference.
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

I love your W quote. Hilarious.

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
7 balls
2.1.10 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, 6 normal, 4 anery )
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
1 fish
1 mouse
3.3 cats

We have been cutting back our collection while also adding more hognose. Great pic and glad to see what the future holds. Although we are only up to 30 hognose in our collection I can surely see as more morphs appear our focus and speciality will become hogs. 30 years working with herps has never brought me to the point of specializing as much as I have with hognose.

Nice

Rich Hebron