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here is my female rusty

with her bright orange eye

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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.

another.....shows her reds and burgundys

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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.

That may not be a pure Black Rat Snake. The shape of the head looks a little off. If you look at the rostral scale, it looks like it is almost dividing the internasals. That is not normal for a Rat Snake. It also looks like it only has eight supralabials instead of the usual nine. It may be more than just a "not too often seen morph." Would need better pictures of the head to tell.

i took it for granted it was a pure black rat rusty.....should be a rusty with the chocolate color.......was sold to me by bob mcivor as such......

could this be a intergrade?

now you have me wondering

keith

P.S. I am not into intergrades at all.....
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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.

Whatever it is, it's a drop-dead beautiful animal! I'll take one, intergrade or not. Duffy

they should breed this season.....the male is well over 5 feet and the female jus shy......

i love them...

posted pics because i havent seen rustys on the forums in a long time

Would like to know more about the possibility of an intergrade...the animals were purchased from Bob Mcivor, and i believe they are George Miskimon's stock

i have his number....i may check into that today....

anyone have any other thoughts about it , help me shed some light on if it may be an intergrade?

keith
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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.

Since I was the one who questioned what it was, let me say that I would need much better pictures to tell for sure. When I saw the shape of the head, it looked more like that of a King Snake to me. It is hard to tell from a picture. On the other hand, as Duffy said, it is one fine looking snake.

I breed rusties for a few yrs now. We had this debate before on the forum. I think there are pure I was told by a handfull of old herper that they were catching rusties in P.G county MD back in the late 70's and early 80's. What other colubrid morph or not is co- dominate ? Some has said there are cross with tx's I don't buy that. Only because every time I breed my rusties to normals I got rusties and normal [blk rats]. Bob breed a rusty to some w.c normal blk rat some yrs ago and hatched a batch of sweet rusties too.

If by chance rusties are a cross then with what ?

What two cross can produce a co -dominate morph?

Maybe Dwight or Dewey has some input

Later Dre'

I have a book with a picture of a Yellow x Bull and the head shape looks like yours. That could be a cross between a Black Rat and a Black Pine Snake. I would need better pictures to do a scale count.

It is still a great looking snake.

i have a friend in PA that says theres naturally occuring black rats in his area.....get this....EXACTLY the same color and pattern as mine....

might be a local; issue more than an intergrade issue....

either way here is a pic of the male (not as close as the female)

keith
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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.

It doesnt sho....but he is as rich chocolate brown and has some of the reds that the female has.....also has a blood red to oranges mottled with black on his belly...(as does the female to a lesser extent)

keith

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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.