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First time (and I'm sure not the last), that he's decided to "go" while I'm handling him. Got a paper under him for PART of the incident had to scrub up the carpet for the rest Where's a Ritz when ya need it

Thane

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Liberalism: a mental disease.

Thane

Liberalsim?
Ending slavery was once considered a liberal idea.
Establishing social security benefits was once considered a liberal idea.
An eight hour day and forty hour work week was once considered a liberal idea.
Establishing regulations to protect threatened and endangered species, and preserve habitat was and still is a liberal concept.

Steve,

You're attempting a comparison of liberalism TODAY, to what it was and may have been decades in the past. What we have today, are:

1. The ACLU filed Thursday, a suit against the FBI for interveiwing Arab men in America, in an attempt to catch any terror planning before election day.

2. Radical homosexuals trying to redefine marriage for ALL of us.

3. Liberals trying to redefine the history of our country. Take "God" out of the pledge of allegiance. Teach bizarre types of "diversity studies" in schools.

List could go on. Not a political forum. I appreciate you posting under a NAME If you'd like to continue telling me where my ideas are wrong, e-mail me via my website. I welcome discussions. The only reason I took ANY interest in politics and the goings on in our world, is, I now have a child. This situation causes you to really pay attention.

Thane
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Liberalism: a mental disease.

Thane

For what it's worth, I agree with you!

Gives me hope not only for my country, but also for my HOBBY. Nice to know that SOME of us are paying attention. Groups like PETA are LIBERAL, not conservative !!! Liberals will shut THIS hobby down too if we say nothing. Liberal causes have swung so far left, our freedoms, rights and safety is in danger from THEM now.

Thane
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Liberalism: a mental disease.

Thane

Thane,

Maybe you better get used to it. Have you seen the polls this morning

This country has moved steadily toward enlightened compassion - fairness and respect for all people. There has always been people like you who feel threatened by change, but over time people like you have always lost. You would have fit in well with the Alabama racists trying to keep blacks out of their kids' schools. Looking back in 50 years your comments will certainly seem as backwards, hateful and paranoid as those racists comments from 50 years ago sound today.

Try to understand from where your fear arises. All hate has its roots in fear. When you face your insecurities much of your paranoia will fade too. Then you'll be part of the bright future of humanity rather than the dark, bloody, fear-filled past. Good luck.

Typical response from a liberal. Yelling "racist", "hate-monger", "paranoid freak". Only kind of responses behind which they attempt to hide their twisted thinking. I'll try to "move forward" past my paranoid, hate filled ways, to become part of the "bright future of humanity". Which will be open and compassionate to ANYTHING. The phrase "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." will no longer apply, since we'll have fallen for EVERYTHING. Good luck

Thane

(Notice how I don't feel a need to hide behind a screen-name ?)

Thanes Place

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Liberalism: a mental disease.

Thane

>>Thane,
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>>Maybe you better get used to it. Have you seen the polls this morning
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>>This country has moved steadily toward enlightened compassion - fairness and respect for all people. There has always been people like you who feel threatened by change, but over time people like you have always lost. You would have fit in well with the Alabama racists trying to keep blacks out of their kids' schools. Looking back in 50 years your comments will certainly seem as backwards, hateful and paranoid as those racists comments from 50 years ago sound today.
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>>Try to understand from where your fear arises. All hate has its roots in fear. When you face your insecurities much of your paranoia will fade too. Then you'll be part of the bright future of humanity rather than the dark, bloody, fear-filled past. Good luck.

That was uncalled for. The man was expressing his opinion on the "Liberal Agenda", and you have to start making it personal? Telling him where he would fit in well? Accusing him of hating someone or some group of people? And you know this about him from a few sentences in a post on this forum? If you disagree with his political opinions, fine. That's your right. A right which, by the way, was protected by the blood shed and lives lost by a bunch of "Conservatives". This is not a political forum, but politically oriented discussions do sometimes take place here. There is no need for personal attacks.

What you have said in your post regarding the "Liberal Agenda" is your opinion. I respect your right to your opinion, but I think it is hogwash. That doesn't mean I think you are a bad person, and I'm not going to be presumptuous enough to tell you that you need to rethink your ideas just because I disagree with them.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

But try not to let your blood preasure get out of control. We don't want to loose you. All that Drymarchon experience and wisdom is way to valuable!

I am wondering why the site moderater let this thing go on so long or ,...at all. They have pulled lots of my stuff. Some of it was a bit more heavy duty than that, but a lot of it wasn't nearly as bad. Not that I'm complaining. I am glad to see them lighten up on their sensorship. I am just curious what kind of measuring criteria they use to determine if something is appropriate or not. Judging by what I know I have had pulled in the past, when compared to this mess, it just looks a bit discriminatory. Oh well, maybe this will be the end of it.
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

Respectfully Old Herper,

A post to a public non-political message board with a sig that declares liberals are mentally ill is what started this. Do you think that too was uncalled for? If he was "just expressing his opinion" than wasn't I as well? Lets try to be fair here.

If you express personally offensive opinions (as Thane did) on a public message board you really should be man enough to handle the responses.

And by the way, both conservatives and liberals have fought and bled for the rights we all enjoy. Now that I think of it, wasn't our conservative president drinking himself into a stupor every day instead of doing his duty while his liberal challenger was bleeding on the battlefields in Viet Nam?

Maybe Thane should agree to take his offensive, overtly political sig off and we all agree to keep the Indigo Forum a-political, huh?

>>Respectfully Old Herper,
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>>A post to a public non-political message board with a sig that declares liberals are mentally ill is what started this. Do you think that too was uncalled for? If he was "just expressing his opinion" than wasn't I as well? Lets try to be fair here.
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>>If you express personally offensive opinions (as Thane did) on a public message board you really should be man enough to handle the responses.
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>>And by the way, both conservatives and liberals have fought and bled for the rights we all enjoy. Now that I think of it, wasn't our conservative president drinking himself into a stupor every day instead of doing his duty while his liberal challenger was bleeding on the battlefields in Viet Nam?
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>>Maybe Thane should agree to take his offensive, overtly political sig off and we all agree to keep the Indigo Forum a-political, huh?

Well, maybe that's not a bad idea. If I wanted to talk politics I'd go to a political forum.

However, there is something that needs to be pointed out here. His banner is not a personal assault on anyone. It is obviously intended to be humorous. Maybe it misses it's mark...but, it's just a banner. I'm a conservative (I supposed you guessed by now), but I don't take any offense to the conservative bashing I see from time to time in here. I just consider the source and go on about my business. If I weren't pretty confident that my beliefs are correct, it might upset me.

By the way, "bleeding on the battlefield" seems like a bit of an embellishment, I think. Kerry spent a grand total of 4 months in Vietnam, got 3 Purple Hearts and never spent one single night in the hospital...I have to wonder about the validity of that, and apparently so do some of the guys that were right there with him. He did go to Vietnam, that's something at least. I have to give him that much. Now if he could just be honest about what really happened...but, whatever it was, it does not qualify him to be President. So far, I haven't seen a thing from him that impresses me or makes me think he's Presidential material.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

I see below that this discussion is already settled and sealed. Good.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Thats right - Its NOT a political forum - so why the overt political sig?
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Conservatives take it up the wazoo

Probably because this is The United Sates of America, The Land of the Free!!!Where we have rights which allow us to say and do what we believe is right. Personaly, I think words like liberal, or conservative are a bit narrow minded in and of themselves. If a person believes in a womans right to have an abortion, or a pair of homosexuals having the right to live like anyone else, he is labeled a liberal. If he believes in the right to keep AND bear arms, and the pledge of aliegence, in it's origional American form, he is labeled a conservative. Personaly, I beleive in all of the above, and then some. I believe in freedom. Period. And I evaluate each issue, one at a time on it's own merrits. Not by how anyone else, or any political group, or preasure group thinks it should be. So what does that make me? It makes me FREE! Just the way that all those who have fought and died for that FREEDOM would want it. When I hear people throwing around words like liberal or conservative, it makes me want to puke! Those are words which are used to define all people who align themselves with one or more of those political beliefs, and THAT REEKS of bigotry. Please don't try to pigeon hole people into catagories like that. And when I hear a person talking as though what they believe is absolutely right, and that is the way the world is headed, and we better get used to it, I think of Hitler, and Stalin, and Maow. That is all I have to say gentlemen. Good Day.
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

Cool...

Nice to see ! A well thought out, nicely put response. I agree with NEARLY everything here, especially the comment "I evaluate each issue, one at a time on it's own merrits.". I believe we need MORE of this kind of attitude to carefully and willingly evaluate. As you pointed out, freedom was fought for and people died for it. Lets do all we can to KEEP what they died for.
No more "I'm too busy", "I'm too poor" "I'm too ignorant" or just don't care ! Excuses. G'day

Thane

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Thane

Actualy, I may have mis-spoken one thing. I heard today that the origional version of the pledge of alegience was edited in the 50s to include the phrase "under God." But whatever,... I think it's better that way. It's what I grew up with. Heck,...most schools these days don't even teach it anymore. Anywho,...as long as they don't attempt to asign any particular religious point of view to it, I'm all for it. But then again, this is comming from someone who is still struggling with his own belief in God. And the other guy did have a point. This really ain't the place for this stuff anyway. Right now I'm SOOOOO sick of all this political garbage. Perhaps we should all voluntarily curtail our political out bursts from this forum, and express ourselves at the poles! That's where it really counts anyway. And remember,... if you don't vote,...you really don't have room to talk. So what say we call a truce here and just talk about Indigos? Okeedokee?
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

Actualy, I may have mis-spoken one thing. I heard today that the origional version of the pledge of alegience was edited in the 50s to include the phrase "under God." But whatever,... I think it's better that way. It's what I grew up with. Heck,...most schools these days don't even teach it anymore. Anywho,...as long as they don't attempt to asign any particular religious point of view to it, I'm all for it. But then again, this is comming from someone who is still struggling with his own belief in God.

You're not alone in THAT.

And the other guy did have a point. This really ain't the place for this stuff anyway. Right now I'm SOOOOO sick of all this political garbage.

I'm sick of it too (notice I dropped the sig ). I just think that from a historical perspective, this is a pretty important year for everybody to really be attentive.

Perhaps we should all voluntarily curtail our political out bursts from this forum, and express ourselves at the poles! That's where it really counts anyway. And remember,... if you don't vote,...you really don't have room to talk. So what say we call a truce here and just talk about Indigos? Okeedokee?

I vote, always have. I'm voting for an indigo for pres., a mussurana for vice pres. and a fleet of forest cobras and taipans to clean up the ACLU All-l-l-l righty then Back to my question for oldehrper: The new site he mentioned starting up, any progress ? I AM interested in knowing how this idea/project is coming along.

Thane
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Thane

I wrote the above reply before I read yours here. I am glad you agreed the political nature of your sig was uncalled for. Now lets use the Open Discussion forum for politics and this one for Drys. Thanks. No hard feelings.

Well, not sure it was uncalled for. However, we in the hobby have enough arguing and irritants. Like I said, I just believe that this is a very important time in our history, and that we ALL need to be sure to get information before making a poor choice. You obviously know where I stand, don't take MY word for it. Take some time and research the subject(s) from MANY sources and THEN DECIDE.
My goal wasn't to cause problems, just get people thinking. If you think or believe one way or the other, be SURE to be able to support REASONS for thinking that way with logic, history and truth. All I'm trying to do. If I made anyone think a little bit, that's what's important.
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Thane

The site is coming along S-L-O-W-L-Y. I'm writing code for the home page and the basic layout now. Shadindigo is working on the data collection pieces of it because he is better with database applications than I am. The development of the site is a collaboration between Shad and I. He's actually providing the server space and the domain. Right now I'm working on some photography for it also. I may be polling the members for photography, too. I'll detail what sort of photos we're looking for later.

Once we get a beta running, we'll ask for a few people to go wring it out for us. It's going to take some time....it's a humongous undertaking.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

The site is coming along S-L-O-W-L-Y. I'm writing code for the home page and the basic layout now. Shadindigo is working on the data collection pieces of it because he is better with database applications than I am.

Data bases are neat and all, but they aren't so simple to construct (they CAN be, but the ones that ARE, aren't always the easiest to use for non-geeks ). I could help with the html code a little.

The development of the site is a collaboration between Shad and I. He's actually providing the server space and the domain. Right now I'm working on some photography for it also. I may be polling the members for photography, too. I'll detail what sort of photos we're looking for later.

Nice to just know that the idea hasn't been dropped or forgotten.

Once we get a beta running, we'll ask for a few people to go wring it out for us. It's going to take some time....it's a humongous undertaking.

Yes, it is. I think it'll be worth it though. Any assistance I can be, just ask. E-mail me via my site.
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Thane

Thanks again OH for calling me out.

Yep, it's going "slowly" for sure. Like any labor of love, it takes time. Wants and good intentions aside...life has an impact on any endeavor that is motivated by ones intentions rather than a "boss". That having been said, I'm still plugging along...albiet S-L-O-W-L-Y.

Wanted to have something out before this breeding season but the best laid plans and all that...

Lets draw a line in the sand here, Beta by the first of the coming year... how's that?

Regards,
Jeff Nichols

Let's go for it!
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson