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Has anyone seen anything of value regarding the depreciation of co-dominant traits vs recessive traits?

I'm guesssing but all things being equal, would co-dom traits loose value about 4 times (400%) faster than recessive traits?

If a desirable recessive trait shows up in a hatchling and the babies breed after 3 years it would produce hets which after another 3 years would produce 25% of the desirable trait.

A co-dom reproducing after 3 years from birth would produce 50% of the desirable trait. This generation would also produce 50% of the desirable trait - 400% of what the recessive trait produced - or something like that.

For a snake that produces few young like Ball pythons doesn't this mean someone investing in Balls today will never recoup their investment? In other words, the price will drop faster than the snakes can reproduce.

Just curious.

For a snake that produces few young like Ball pythons doesn't this mean someone investing in Balls today will never recoup their investment? In other words, the price will drop faster than the snakes can reproduce.

HUHHHH???? That doesn't make ANY sense at all!

Pastel males are $1,000 (for simplicity's sake) and normal females are $100. So say you buy a Pastel male and 10 females for $2,000 and they breed in 3 years. So say that Pastels are worth 40% in 3 years ($400 each). If you bred all 10 females, say 6 actually give you eggs, and say only 6 eggs each. That's 36 eggs. 18, on average, are supposed to be Pastels. Even at $400 each, that's $8,000!, and you STILL have the principal amount (the breeder animals).

How again do you figure that you won't make your money back? I'm confused.

Co-doms have more possiblity and snakes such as het albinos and het pieds will only produce in small number.....

some of the new morphs formed with co-doms...nerd ax. pastel super pastels albino spiders bumble bee spiders pastel ghosts need i say more?

Paul

Great post Jeff. Even with your conservative estimates,its a 400% return on his initial investment.And thats with just breeding them once! For all you people questioning ball pythons as an investment opportunity,they are in my opinion the best legal return on your money. Mark Petros/Strictly Serpents

The thing about co-doms you have to understand is that you have to get in early at the highest price the morph is at. The more you have to pay the better, because the price of babies DOES come down fast - much faster than simple recessives. A lot of people bought spiders at $25,000. The next year you could pick up a male for $15,000. Those people who bought at $25,000, and sold babies for $15,000 made a killing. This year males are going for $7500 (more or less). Next year - who knows. But it is NOT 3 years until breeding, but more like 1 year because male ball pythons can reproduce at a very early age, and with co-dom's 50% of the babies are that trait right off as you've stated ( I know you were thinking females but you need to think males in co-doms). That's why the price falls so rapidly; shere numbers of them out there. Simple economics. But the smart people who went ahead and spent the $25,000 & bred their animals the next year made $100,000.00 easily. The people who waited a year & spent $15,000 and bred them the next year would have struggled to make half that (those are very rough figures for all of you anal folks out there who usually miss the point anyway). At only $10,000 more for the initial investment, to make a cool $50,000, it would be foolish not to invest when the market is at it's highest. It's hard to understand for some people, especially the ones who are always complaining about the prices of Ball python morphs, but the more you have to spend on a morph, the better off you are because the more money you stand to make, by far. The people who constantly sit there and complain are not the ones who make the money in this world anyway so don't listen to them. To them the sky is always falling. Is that not the point anyway, making money ? It's a high stakes game & it costs money to play, but the rewards are definatly there for the confident. But you shouldn't play this game unless you have enough experience to succeed. But you can make serious money even if you get in low, like the Pastels you mentioned, because of supers. Even with out a super, what's wrong with selling $1000 snakes ? With Pastels, you can invest $3,000 (1.1) and make $10,000 in 3 years by producing a super. Where else could you do that ?
Paul Edwards