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Mossy Leaftail died suddenly

dhakala Oct 24, 2004 01:38 PM

We've kept leos successfully for six years and snakes for over 25 years. This was our first mossy leaftailed gecko, and a rare subspecies (uroplatus sikorae sameiti): c.b., purchased from a local breeder. She was housed in a 20-gal. glass aquarium with two inches of coconut husk substrate, half of the floor area covered with some Spanish moss. We gave her some fresh maple branches to climb, though she preferred the glass walls. Flexwatt heating under cage, UV 75w incandescent basking bulb at night. Floor temp averaged 75-83 F, air temp low to mid 70s. Misted several times per day with distilled water and kept the substrate damp.

She thrived from Sept. 25 until two days ago, when she became lethargic and sat on the floor over the warmest part.

The bulb burned out five days ago and we have not yet received the replacement. We turned up the Flexwatt heat to maintain 73-78 F air temps.

Today she's dead. Found about three days worth of crickets under her hid box.

Are these critters THAT delicate?

We are enchanted by mossy leaftails and wish to breed them. But if the absence of a lightbulb for a few days is going to kill them off, perhaps we'd better get enchanted by something else.

Replies (8)

mickejswe Oct 25, 2004 02:30 AM

Hi!

Sorry to see that your "mossy" died. I have succesfully been breeding sikorae sikoare for the last two years. I really dont think that your sametie died by the lack of the bulb but rather from overheating. Sameties should be kept slightly warmer than sikoares and i keep mine between 65-72 deegres. With some varieations in summer and winter temps.

Bets regards

Michael Jonasson
Sweden

You should ask the same question in the uroplatus forum.

/M

dhakala Oct 25, 2004 02:56 AM

Thank you for you advice! I will take my query to the Uroplatus forum, which I hadn't noticed.

Overheating, eh? I thought I had plenty of temp gradient throughout the cage, from 80 F under the hide box (which she never seemed to use) to around 70 on half the floor and up in the maple branches. At night it gets down into the upper 60s in my son's bedroom, and the cage is covered by only a wire screen.

But the chain of events supports this overheating theory. Bulb burned out five days ago. Turned up floor heat. Mog Wai pooped out three days later. Died today.

Again, thanks for your advice and sympathy. We live and learn. It pains me deeply that Mog Wai didn't. I take my responsbility to my critters very seriously.

tworavens Oct 25, 2004 02:50 AM

Just a quick question, what UV bulb were you using at night? I can't think of any UV bulb that doesn't also put out plenty of visible light, unless you were using one of those specialized germicidal bulbs or perhaps a black light tube. In either case those are both fluorescents, and could possibly put out high levels of UV, including UVC (deadly!). Incandescents don't put out UV. Mercury vapor bulbs and metal halides do, but again, lots of visible light also. Is it possible your Uroplatus died of either too much/little UV, or stress caused by being lit up all night?

Chris

dhakala Oct 25, 2004 03:25 AM

I don't know what brand the bulb was, but it was incandescent so I gather it was worthless for UV of any kind. It was not left on all the time but only on particularly chilly nights.

Evidently, I have much time to spend in the Uroplatus forum before I purchase another sikorae.

tworavens Oct 25, 2004 08:48 AM

Since U. sikorae are nocturnal, lack of UV shouldn't be an issue as long as you're supplementing their food properly. I would guess that the previous poster was probably right about overheating being the cause of death, since it happened relatively quickly. Makes me think it wasn't caused by parasites or infections, either. You seem like a very conscientious person, I'm sorry your little guy didn't make it despite all your efforts.

Chris

dhakala Oct 25, 2004 09:11 AM

"Conscientious" or simply brain-dead. I have been known to spend $75 on vet treatment for a $20 leo, and $65 on euthanasia by injection for same. My son, who was seven at the time, even insisted that we embalm Godzilla in clear resin. She is enshrined over his bed to this day, seven years later.

More recently, I learned that a month-old Madagascar ground gecko that I gave to one of my son's friends was abandoned in the wild of Colorado's Autumn by the poor lad's cruel parents. I sicced the Humane Society's animal cruelty enforcement division on them. Haven't received a report on that investigation yet. It's about time for me to follow up.

I have also obtained a restraining order to protect a dog against my son's mother, who threatened to have her boyfriend shoot old Daisy when her time came. Lawyers told me it couldn't be done, but they were unaware of the other, little-used restraining order law buried deeply in Colorado's statutes.

tuckinall4s Oct 26, 2004 11:28 PM

my mossy stays in my room with no heat lamps just a UV bulb and at night my rookmm prolly gets close to 60 gedrees and he never has a problem with it.....i give him his food supply and mist him down 2 to 3 times daily and thats it.....hastnt given me any problems and hoipefully it wont....sorry to hear about your loss
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dhakala Oct 26, 2004 11:34 PM

Thanks for your sympathy and experience. But the critter in your photo looks nothing like a mossy leaftail gecko. Are we talking about the same species?

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