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Has anyone here tried putting the two together in a Tank?

I could be so wrong on this, but this is my take. I think the dart frogs will need a "wetter" environment then the pygmy chams. I think dart frog need the humidity up around 80-100 while I dont think the pygmies would enjoy 80-100 percent humidity all the time. You need some air flow for the pygmies so I have an all screen top with a fan in the far corner of room. I think the dart frogs would have problems with that since the tops of their enclosures is partially if not completely covered to keep the humidity in. Its also a good idea to let the enclosure dry out between misting for the pygmies – the enclosure would be pretty much be wet all the time for the darts – so you are risking an URI with the pygmies to accommodate the frogs.

Then there’s the general rule of thumb with chams - keep them separate from other animals.

Just my take, and notice I used the word “think” a lot – so I really don’t know. The 2 environments for these animals seem close but not enough were they would both be happy.

-roo

I've read about pygmy chams being kept with a few different kinds of frogs. Mantellas come to mind, but i can't remember the others... They both require similar care. The pygmy's are fine with high humdidity, as long as you have good drainage and not soupy water buildup. also, you can make one half of the tank especially damp for the frogs. I would only suggest keeping them together in a large tank though, like 35 gallon or more. With keeping the humidity high, make sure there is lots of ventilation.
Do a search on the internet and i'm sure you'll come up with some more info... i read a bunch about it a while back, but can't think of where it was.
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~Lindsay
0.1 panther chameleon (Orion)
1.2 r. brevicaudatus chams (unnamed)
0.1 leopard gecko (Acadia)
1.0 pictus gecko (Raine)
1.1 parakeets (Bongo/Citron)
1.1 cats (Tigger/Bonzai)
1.0 dwarf hampster (Chico the monster)
someday will have 1.1 great danes (will be Osiris and Solaris)

You are from Canada right? I noticed one of your geckos is named "Raine". Is he named for Raine Maida? If so, you are awesome!!

(Not to say you aren't awesome if not...hehe)
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~Melissa
1.0 Ambanja Panther (Diesel)
0.1 African Hegdehog (Kaimah)

To be honest, i'm not sure! lol. I got him from my best friend... she moved in with her bf and he has a four year old son. They ahve lots of herps, but Raine is a pictus and doesn't like being held at all.. .if he managed to get her out of her tank she'd be gone forever, and they didn't want to risk him stressing her out so they gave her to me (oh DARN, lol).
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~Lindsay
0.1 panther chameleon (Orion)
1.2 r. brevicaudatus chams (unnamed)
0.1 leopard gecko (Acadia)
1.0 pictus gecko (Raine)
1.1 parakeets (Bongo/Citron)
1.1 cats (Tigger/Bonzai)
1.0 dwarf hampster (Chico the monster)
someday will have 1.1 great danes (will be Osiris and Solaris)

Well unless you dont really want your pygmies to live for long.... What humidity are you thinking you keep Darts at? I keep Dendrobates Ventrimaculatus and have had several other types of darts and if I ever tried to keep my pygmies in the same terrarium with them, all hell would break loose (not cause of size but the environment) Pygmies need ventilation and lower humidity (TIME TO DRY OUT). I forsee mold growing on your preciuos gems(Rhampholoens).... ALSO any eggs that were layed and not found would rot... therefore being one less born baby... I want to see where you found this info, maybe im just crazy.

that's nuts...don't mix the two...i've kept tincs and am currently setting up a false bottom tank to get some more...the humidity requirments are different as everyone has mentioned but i think the other problem is that your cham would not be able to compete against the frogs for food...dart frogs may look delicate and passive but not when it comes to getting their food..

dart frogs get pretty pissy about their territory and would probably get pretty stressed out with a cham walking around and the cham would probably not enjoy normal dart frog activity..my advice to you is, if you want to enjoy the natural behavior of dart frogs, then set up a dart frog tank..don't mix

>>that's nuts...don't mix the two...i've kept tincs and am currently setting up a false bottom tank to get some more...the humidity requirments are different as everyone has mentioned but i think the other problem is that your cham would not be able to compete against the frogs for food...dart frogs may look delicate and passive but not when it comes to getting their food..
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>>dart frogs get pretty pissy about their territory and would probably get pretty stressed out with a cham walking around and the cham would probably not enjoy normal dart frog activity..my advice to you is, if you want to enjoy the natural behavior of dart frogs, then set up a dart frog tank..don't mix

I keep Dendrobates auratus and I'd have to agree with these last two posts. Definately not a good idea.

Chris
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I don't think mantellas are a type of dart frog... i think they are tree frog or something like that. I can't find the site i read but i'll look...
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~Lindsay
0.1 panther chameleon (Orion)
1.2 r. brevicaudatus chams (unnamed)
0.1 leopard gecko (Acadia)
1.0 pictus gecko (Raine)
1.1 parakeets (Bongo/Citron)
1.1 cats (Tigger/Bonzai)
1.0 dwarf hampster (Chico the monster)
someday will have 1.1 great danes (will be Osiris and Solaris)

Even mantellas are agressive, I have seen Crocea's dominate the terrarium and push even the bigger mantellas away. They can be very territorial. ALSO most mantellas are WC from madagascar wich mean they DO HAVE TOXINS, this is a similar case scenario when it comes to FBT's (Fire Bellied Toads) and houseing with other herps. Also setup is too moist for pygmies. They would look great together but so would alot of other things.

Thanks for all the posts
I have a tank for each but i have a few sub adult r.brevs that arent doing anything so i put them in yesterday they didnt fit in at first
but the frogs accepted them after knocking down the biggest one
and sittin on his head for a few seconds
since then they pretty much have their own territories
only one of the frogs likes to jump around in the cham side but doesnt harass them anymore

n/p

Dont get me wrong
I do appreciate the advice that everyone gave me!
for one thing i put them in before i read replies posted on this thread
Now with all the advice y'all gave me i can make some changes accordingly
Either by removing the chameleons or by making part of the setup more habbitable for them
Any ideas to do this would be great as i beleive it would be a Beautiful show tank!

I have glanced at this thread. When I first got my leaf chams I had similar questions. Having now been in the "cham world" for a while I would tend to say not, but here is an article on Brookesia (similar habitat) from ChamNews and the combo of frogs is discuss little bit.

Personally, I do not think I would make this choice but you can make your own an informed decision. It sort of sounds like this is something you really want to do so information is all I can offer.

If Chris (Anderson) disagrees with any of this please take his advice over mine!!

lele
brookesia

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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia (both MIA
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog (for summer)
0.5 Mad. Hissers (for summer - all girls, no little ones, whew!)

Thanks Lelee,
I have been doing a little research on this and i was thinking
about a tall tank the lower part for the frogs
and the upper part for the chams
I pretty much have the chameleon needs down pat... so far
but i am new to the frogs and i think that the frogs and chams would compliment eachother
also im pretty handy so building an enclosure custom to their requirements is not a problem

I'm late coming in on this, and I'm tired so I'll keep it short. First of all, if anything is "jumping" on the chams heads, this is not a good thing. That kind of stress will kill a chameleon in no time. Second thought, they will have to compete for food...frogs are very fast, while chams are slow moving...so it's likely the chams may not get enough food. Another problem...darts need very high humidity which is hard to achieve without using a glass tank with glass canopy...a chameleon will not fare well in that set up as we all know that chams, even small ones, need ventilation. They like wet, moist mossy bottoms which will only cause problems for the chams. Lastly, think again if you think the darts will stay low and the chams will stay high. I have r. brev's and darts...the r. brev is low most of the time except at night, and the darts...well, they go wherever they want...up high in the tank one minute, down on the floor the next.

My suggestion is that if you are going to have both, please keep them in different set ups.

Kristen
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1.2 c. quadricornis
1.2 c.j. merumontanus
0.0.2 neonate c.j. merumontanus
1.1 r. brevicaudatus
0.0.2 red eared sliders

Thanx for your opinion Kristen
What type of setup do you keep your R.Brevs in?
What are the humidity levels?
How much ventilation do you give them?
What do you feed them?
Do you keep more than One in an enclosure?
LOL.. I have a tank with some in it , I might have a problem they climb on eachother once in a while You said this might be a problem should i seperate them individualy

P.S. Forgive My Grammer Once Again

A tank with a screen top...the so called "leaf chams" are one of the only species that can be kept in a tank set up. Some even argue that they would do better in a screen cage if humidity can be kept up, but I've found that mine tend to like to walk along the bottom amongst the leaf litter. They go to sleep up high in the branches.

I keep them in a room where only chameleons are, so I have a humidifier that I run occasionally to keep the humidity high enough. They like it higher, but it doesn't seem imperative that it STAY high all the time. It ranges from 60% to 90%

Screen top

Hydei fruit flies and pinhead crickets. The regular fruit flies (melanogaster) don't seem to be large enough for them.

Most people do keep more than one in an enclosure as long as it is large enough for them to have enough room.

If it's once in awhile just because they are crossing each others paths, no biggie...if they are climbing all over each other all the time, you either need less animals or a bigger tank...or more climbing areas. I was saying that a dart frog hopping on their head would be a problem...more so than an occasional encounter with their tank mate of the same species.

Hope this helps
Kristen
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1.2 c. quadricornis
1.2 c.j. merumontanus
0.0.2 neonate c.j. merumontanus
1.1 r. brevicaudatus
0.0.2 red eared sliders

I cut and pasted your questions in where the gaps are, but they didn't show up...so they are in the same order that your questions were in.

Kristen
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1.2 c. quadricornis
1.2 c.j. merumontanus
0.0.2 neonate c.j. merumontanus
1.1 r. brevicaudatus
0.0.2 red eared sliders

Thanks for the info!

I keep two (2) in a ten gallon tank
Planted pretty good
Some how they seem to find each other and climb eachother
They are not mating when they do this
The other two i have when introduced to the frog tank the frogs didnt know what to think, All shyed away except for the bold one he jumped on the Cham and stayed on him for thirty or so seconds for one time havent seen it since now they pretty much
hang out together even at dinner time they get along i put pinheads and fruit flies in the froggies love the flies and the chams love the pin heads at bed time the chams climb their perspective pothos and the froggies go to their caves
I was going to take them out but i see no problems with this setup everyone getting along and everyone eating
theres no mold or fungus on any of my animals and they are growing like weeds
I really like my chams and wouldnt hurt them at all at the first sign of stress i would remove them but there is not much difference between the two setups i have save for one has frogs and one doesnt
I have half the tank covered for humidity (frog side)
And also an air pump on cham side for ventilation
I find that Chameleons are very clever and not as dumb as as everyone gives them credit for at least mine are
as long as i pay attention to them
Thanks for your concern in this matter as your posts have made it easier custimize there enclosure to suit their needs

I have another question though, how often do you suppliment your chams and or frogs?

Between me and my wife and kids we have
1.1 Blue Bar Ambilobe
1.2 Nosey Be'
2.4.100+ Veileds
1.3 B.Decaryi
2.2 R.Brevs
2.2 D.Azureus
1.1 Lionhead wabbits
0.1 Dalmation
0.1 cat named calico(mine)