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from n.e. n.c. not sure on county,,,thanks for lookin ,,,thomas

Nice snakes both the L. g.getulas & the L.c.calligaster I keep both species also. Hopefully I'll get another camera soon so I can take picts. I also breed L. mexicana-mexicana.

I am not an expert by any means... but from looking at the snakes on Hillson's site it appears that the animals from the Eastern portion of NC have wider bands like that.

Peter

I'm not an advocate of using phenotype to speculate on locality but living in NENC I've never seen an eastern that looked like that one. Wide banding isn't really consistant here (its just that those of us how hunt for them select for wide bands). What is typical however is a well defined chain pattern latterally which the snake in question appears to lack. Given easterns are so variable all this doesn't really mean anything. In any case its a neat snake and looks to be a hoss!

According to Palmer and Braswell, eastern kings vary in band with from the eastern part of the state to the west...with the eastern species having wider bands and the eastern kings from the mountains and western piedmont having very narrow bands, eventually intergrading with the black kings along the Tennessee border. I have seen numerous eastern/central Piedmont specimens (Guilford, Rockingham, Harnett Co.) and numerous western piedmont/foothills/mountains (Catawba, Alexander, Buncome, Burke, Iredell Co.) and noticed this to be true in the snakes I have caught.

I can't speak specifically for NE North Carolina, but for the Piedmont and Mountains, I have definitely seen a trend of narrower bands as you go west.

Michael

What have you seen as far as side chain height ? The snake Thomas has for sure to me has the look of a Georgia animal. The ringed appearance with no side chains from what I can see is a common trait in Georgia animals. I'll rely on your expiriences in the field of NC. Do you see animals like Thomas's their ?

Keith
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have never seen an eastern king from NE NC that looks like that.I also agree with Keith that I too have seen GA animals that appear very similar.
STRETCHx

same male eastern n.c.

>>same male eastern n.c.
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How big is that snake Thomas ? Where did he come from (the collector that is). Again very cool looking Eastern !

Keith
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thanks keith he is a bigboy currently at 56/57inches, i got him in '02 at roughly 40inches from reptile basics,thought maybe obk because of the speckling but it hasnt increased any since ive had him, all rich could tell me at the time was he was w/c from eastern north carolina,thanks again,,,,,,thomas

gorgeous!!!

maybe the forefather of the obk gene pool or some brought back a souvernier from the out islands . just a thoght dont claim to know nc easterns but the outer banks are native. Chris btw cool snake getulas rule!!!!!!!!