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An 03 Texas indigo hatchling was recently posted for sale. Anyone know its origin and who bought it? Thanks.

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Good question Steve!

Regards,
Jeff Nichols

right when it was posted, but the price, size, and lack on background info scared me off. The title of the ad intrigued me, but the animal was not similar in appearance to the ones I have from Dean. Also, the animal was way overpriced imho. I believe it was also only eating mice as an '03. My '03 is taking rats.

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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Hmm.. 500.00 For a specimen much less commonly available then couperi?
I thought that to be quite a deal personally, as I have paid a minimum of 700.00 apiece for the specimens within my collection, with the exception of a dwarf specimen I obtained a year ago. Heck, I would have paid more too, as the demand far outweighs the supply, so far as erebennus are concerned.
I suppose such is dependant upon how badly you wish to acquire a specimen, and your personal financial threshold to boot.
Also, I have seen a high degree of variability among erebennus, both in Texas and Mexico.
It can be quite difficult to pinpoint a specimen from a single photo, such as the one posted on the classifieds, as I have seen wild erebennus in Brownsville, TX which were phenotypic of wild couperi I have found in South Dade County, FL... The difference for which, could have been discerned only by very close examination.

Jeff

I purchased that Texas Indigo. It was in fine condition, much better then the photo indicated...as I was able to examine it before purchase. If the price was to high...anyone else have any for that price let me know! Acording to the person I purchased it from, who came from RI, said that it originated with your stock Steve. I have three large female errebunnus so in another year this one should be able to breed with my stock.

Dan

Thank you for a reply. I didn't produce any erebennus in '03. Last June was my first time. Do you mean this snake had same parents as my adults?

I agree that 500 is a bargain for a yearling, based on limited availability.

To each his own of course, but I couldn't see paying more than $400 for a baby erebennus. For a yearling with unknown origins and poor size for age (imho)I would value it at less. I am very afraid of getting one of those dwarf indies. That is what really scared me away. Also, who knows where that animal came from. I am only familiar with Dean and Virgil's lines I am aware they are very variable, but did not recognize that to be one of their animals.

I would also be afraid of getting an unpure animal. Credibility is like your virginity. You can only lose it once! The last thing I need is to have an unhonestly represented animal in my collection. I'm glad the buyer did research that with the seller, but hopefully he will get to the bottom of its origin as Steve said he did not produce any in '03.

I still have to put couperi in the high price bracket because of 1.supply and demand, 2. pure beauty and allure, and 3.more limited and rectricted distribution.

...my 2 cents
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

I've often wondered why erebennus were priced as low as they are. They are actually more difficult to obtain than couperi (not considering states where couperi are not allowed). If you consider only supply and demand, they should be on equal ground.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Maybe you'll sleep better !

Or you can just send me that big male rub!
I used to call them "flat black" as compared to the "high gloss" of couperi. After seeing yours in person...

I change that to "satin black"
Cool animals

No problem Dean...check's in the mail.

I enjoyed your visit...I just wish we could have had a little more time. Next time....
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Steve, I understood it to be from your stock...and if you didn't produce any in 03 then it couldn't have came from your stock. The photo of the animal was not an up to date photo. The animal is about average size for its age. Now, for many who do post on this site...this is not the inclusive list of all who are or have been breeding drymarchons. I can assue their are many who breed these animals and never visit this site. Up until about three years ago...it was not unsual to find different subspecies of them at the Orlando Reptile show. Six of mine came from their! I will try in the next day or two post a photo of the animal.

Dan