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I started to look over your website when I realized I had seen it before. I must say your ideas are much more of the problem than the solution. I recall seeing where you thought we should follow the advice of M&Ms, which is to Murder Muslims. This is just so ignorant, I dont even know where to begin. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that type of thinking is ridiculous and will resolve nothing.

EP
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I started to look over your website when I realized I had seen it before. I must say your ideas are much more of the problem than the solution. I recall seeing where you thought we should follow the advice of M&Ms, which is to Murder Muslims.

Well, they want to murder US. I DID also go on to say that M&Ms stood for muslim murderers rather than murder muslims.

This is just so ignorant, I dont even know where to begin. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that type of thinking is ridiculous and will resolve nothing.

Perhaps ignorant, perhaps not. Do you know that to them we are infidels that it is their religious duty to convert or kill ? At my site I provide a link to the Qura'n if you really want to learn more. It's easy to see why radicals of this branch of religion become mass murderers via suicide. I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you don't know your enemy, you're in very grave danger. Before using ignorance and other names against ME, study the subject matter for yourself.
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Thane

That is true. Much more than fighting a country you are fighting an idea. that is why invading a Moslem country is so full of of problems. With a country you defeat a government. With a religion you fight every "True believer" that feels it's his duty to die for Allah. They will not back off since knowing that if they die killing us they go to paradise.

That's like the joke about when Osama goes to hell. Instead of 50 lovely virgins like the Q'uran says...he got met by 50 mad Virginians....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

(rf)That is true. Much more than fighting a country you are fighting an idea. that is why invading a Moslem country is so full of of problems.

(t)Boy, THAT'S for sure. I've been to a muslim country myself. Was an interesting, strange experience. If I'd have better understood them, I would have been scared, but I didn't, so I wasn't. Just felt like they thought I was a weirdo or ugly or something. It WAS a moderately muslim country (Brunei, Borneo) so I was ok.

(rf)With a country you defeat a government. With a religion you fight every "True believer" that feels it's his duty to die for Allah. They will not back off since knowing that if they die killing us they go to paradise.

(t)It's not a good situation.

(rf)That's like the joke about when Osama goes to hell. Instead of 50 lovely virgins like the Q'uran says...he got met by 50 mad Virginians....

(t)I don't understand how a "religion" can be so brutal and backwards, but it is. What can be done to help bring it to the civilized planet of the 21st century ? My plan is to clean them ALL up. Not the way to go though, if we're to stay a civil world or nation. Any other ideas are more than welcome. This issue was coming to a head ONE way or another, no matter WHAT was or was not done. Needs to be dealt with SOMEHOW.

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Thane

you have two choices...

Eradicate them (and you'd better get them all)

Or quarentine them (And hopefully curtail the spread).

Good luck on either option....

Are you aware that the Arabs own every major banking company in the USA except one?

Think what they could do...

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

No, I wasn't aware of that. I hope you're wrong, but I fear your possibly correct. And how did this come about, if it IS true ? Perhaps we need to examine and maybe make some tweaks and changes to the system that allowed this, if your right.

you have two choices...
Eradicate them (and you'd better get them all)
Or quarentine them (And hopefully curtail the spread).
Good luck on either option....
Are you aware that the Arabs own every major banking company in the USA except one?
Think what they could do
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Thane

while you were in this country were any attempts made on your life. I assume at every corner you were beating them off with a bible since they ALL want to kill us.

EP
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Like I said, it was a MODERATE muslim, VERY small country (Brunei, Borneo). Very rich too. No attempts were made on my life. I was able to beat twenty muslim thugs off of me every minute There ARE other moderate muslims in the world. I wonder why they do not take a stand or even SAY anything against radicalism in their faith ? How is it that we're supposed to be able to tell which ones do want to hurt us and which ones DON'T, when no moderate branches have spoken out ? Their religious text calls for ridding the world of infidels, or converting them. I'll ask again, how is it that we can tell which muslims don't wish to convert or KILL us ?

while you were in this country were any attempts made on your life. I assume at every corner you were beating them off with a bible since they ALL want to kill us
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Thane

It is also the duty of Christians to convert "the wrong" over to christianity and spread the will of god. We have people here who shoot and kill doctors who perform abortions. They do this in the name of god because all life is precious, except for that doctor. I know its not the exact same thing but you should see my point. Religion will be the downfall of the world if we cant learn how to get along. Unfortnately no book of religion actually preaches acceptance. Love thy neighbor, unless of course, they are different from you.

EP
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1 bearded dragon
1 fish
1 mouse
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Your right. However, as I'm sure you already recognize, the Qura'n is much easier to interpret in ways that cause radicalism. I myself wonder about religion. I wonder if there is a god or not. If there IS, god certainly didn't create us to fight and kill each other in it's name. It's part of one of the sicknesses of humanity I believe. We'd better learn to care for ourselves better, or we'll destroy ourselves in the long run.
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Thane

no religon teaches murder. Those who do so in the name of "deity here" are not following their religon.
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"scientia est vox"

They just cover it with "Divine purpose".

Ever read about the Inquisition? Pope Innocent started that one. The Q'uaran teaches killing infidels is the best way to gain paradise.

Man you really need to check things before you post.

Quote: THOU SHALT NOT SUFFER FALSE PROPHETS TO LIVE.(Old Testament)

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

"Ever read about the Inquisition? Pope Innocent started that one."
Does the Catholic faith currently teach murder?
no

"The Q'uaran teaches killing infidels is the best way to gain paradise." The Qu'ran also teaches that you must always feed a hungry man. The qu'ran is not the only way Muslims learn their faith. And their faith is not believed only from the Qu'ran.

"Quote: THOU SHALT NOT SUFFER FALSE PROPHETS TO LIVE.(Old Testament) " Just because the bible says something, does not mean a religon teaches what it says.
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"scientia est vox"

"Just because the bible says something, does not mean a religion taches what it says."

I would really think about what you just said.

A religion (meaning Christanity)does not teach the Bible which it declares to be the word of GOD?

That goes beyond dumb!

"The Q'uran is not the only way a Moslem Moslems learn their faith. And their faith is not believed only from the Q'uran."

Ok...How else? You said it, now prove it.

I told you before if you are going to make outlandishly incorrect statements you had better back them up.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

""Just because the bible says something, does not mean a religion taches what it says."

I would really think about what you just said.

A religion (meaning Christanity)does not teach the Bible which it declares to be the word of GOD?"

As a catholic i know that the Bible is not the only source of teaching. Many parts of the bible are not to be read literally so much as symbolically.

Even the protestant faiths (whose main teachings are based on the bible) do not always believe in what the bible says exactly.

""The Q'uran is not the only way a Moslem Moslems learn their faith. And their faith is not believed only from the Q'uran."

Ok...How else? You said it, now prove it."

So you are saying that Muslims are only taught from the Qu'ran about their faith? They have oral traditions and ceremonies which are not completely outlined in the Qu'ran.

"I told you before if you are going to make outlandishly incorrect statements you had better back them up."
I believe i just did.
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"scientia est vox"

What proof? I didn't see a single fact to back what you said. lust more baseless statements.

And by the way...I was raised Catholic (Capitol C). it never blinded me to what the Catholic...or any other religion has done in the name of their God.

And for your information...The Q'uaran and (to a lesser degree) the Old Testiment are the basis (from which ALL teachings derive) for Islam. Both documents call for the execution of unbelievers.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

The Koran/Qu'ran/however you want to transliterate it, is the PRINCIPAL guide for Islam. It reiterates many of the Old Testament stories---they DO NOT use the Old Testament as many of you are familiar with it (a hopelessly modified, overtranslated work). As the saying in religeous studies goes, Islam is Version 3.0. The Qu'ran is not remotely more conducive to "radicalism" than the Bible. It does NOT say that "killing infidels is the best way to get to heaven." If you are demanding proof, I think you should provide the same and give us the Suras you claim to quote. Oh wait, you haven't ever read it. B

There is a secondary text in Islam, known as the Sunnah or Hadith. The difference between this text and the Qu'ran is simple and profound---the latter is the literal word of the only true god, the former are the ideas of his Prophet.

I HAVE read the Qu'ran. I have read the bible in totality on many occasions. I am familiar with misquoting things left and right, and I can drag little messages out of context with the best of them, if thats what you really want to see. I remain an athiest, but thats no excuse for being ignorant.

So have I and I am also an Atheist. And I do disagree with your "Non-violent" interpretation of the Q'uaran. Since I do not have a copy and do not want to waste my time researching thru yet another religious document, I will trust my memmory for this one.

The biblical quote I allready listed.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

And (by the way) you are right. The Old testament (as we know it)was so heavily reinterpreted and rewriten every time a monk with a different opinion retranscribed it that it is miles away from whatever the orrigional stories were.

Far from the word (alledged) of any god, it is a document reflecting 2,000 of changing religious views.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Sorry for coming off so hot-headed---I think we agree on most aspects, namely that any textual religion is ripe for misinterpretation/selective interpretation.

Its cool...Yeah that's about how I see it.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

You'd think that it is so. In the ideal world, NO religion allows slayings. Here we go. I don't know if there is or isn't a god. I hope there is and there's a nice afterlife and all that stuff. To my logical brain it sounds like dreaming and pie in the sky. Then there is how the religious argue and argue against evolution. I always ask them "if there's a god, why wouldn't god have made us USING evolution ?" The book of genesis in the bible even makes one wonder about THIS. I don't want to open a can of anything about religion here. To ME, us trying to understand God (if there IS one) is very much like an ant trying to learn calculus. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Have hope, have faith and TRY to stay alive for as long as you can without killing each other. Also, recognize that religious texts CAN and do teach murder in certain "holy" circumstances. I believe these came from the mind of man not God.
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Thane

The mind of man...the mind of God, there is a difference?

Whether you go with the idea that God invented man,

Or man invented God it still boils down to about the same thing.

Free will only exists when the religious cannot force their doctrine on others from birth.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

The mind of man...the mind of God, there is a difference?

I would think so. And I doubt that if there's a god that it/he/she HAS a mind as we'd understand it.

Whether you go with the idea that God invented man,
Or man invented God it still boils down to about the same thing. Free will only exists when the religious cannot force their doctrine on others from birth.

Agreed. I'm not anti-religious, but I don't like most of them and their preachy hypocritics either. I think it's best to admit it's far beyond my understanding and keep things simple. Life has enough to occupy the time without overloading ones life with the doctrines and beliefs of ANY particular sect or group. The intentions of it are good, but leave humans to mess it up with their own private agendas and problems arise every time. It's a tough subject, because I AGREE with most of what the religious agendas say, but then on SOME critical points, I totally disagree with 'em. They take some things to far (as do all humans).
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Thane

The bottom line is there is a huge difference between Religion and faith.

Faith is about personal convictions and beliefs.

Religion is about the organization and control of a faith doctrine for group consumption.

I never argue faith as thatis personal choice. But religion is about mind control..I will damn that at every turn.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

You mean you traveled half way around the world to visit another country and didn't even ever figure out WHERE you were?! You didn't even learn the name of the country you were visiting??!!!

And you expect ANYONE to value your opinion about the people religeon? Very odd indeed....

Are you on drugs?

This little "mistake" is one of thousands you perpetuate in your misguided, ill-informed propaganda. YOU are a fundamentalist, and I'm scared of all fundamentalists--wacko Christians, wacko gun-nuts, wacko-Muslims, etc.

YOU are the problem. Please stop.

Let me further clarify---

Brunei is NOT a moderate country--I'm presuming you didn't have much to drink there, and noticed that the amusement park stops every hour for prayer?

That said, it is a completely safe, sane, insanely wealthy country.

Borneo is an island, politically comprised of Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo), Sabah and Sarawak (two Malaysian states), and Brunei.

You are a xenophobe and a disgrace to America.

This little "mistake" is one of thousands you perpetuate in your misguided, ill-informed propaganda. YOU are a fundamentalist, and I'm scared of all fundamentalists--wacko Christians, wacko gun-nuts, wacko-Muslims, etc.

(T)Please further inform me, so my ill informed propaganda can be squashed. If you can point me towards one or two VALID mistakes, it'll help me get better

YOU are the problem. Please stop.

(T)I'm a problem, please help.

Let me further clarify---

Brunei is NOT a moderate country--I'm presuming you didn't have much to drink there, and noticed that the amusement park stops every hour for prayer ?

(T)I didn't go there to party. I went there as an assist on a rainforest research expedition. I was in the rain forest, so no amusement park rides.

That said, it is a completely safe, sane, insanely wealthy country.

(T)Correct.

Borneo is an island, politically comprised of Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo), Sabah and Sarawak (two Malaysian states), and Brunei.

You are a xenophobe and a disgrace to America.

(T)You really don't help yourself, when you fall back to the insults and name calling so typical to your type. Yes, Borneo is an Island. My understanding was that Brunei was it's own country. So it is a STATE of Malaysia as you have said. Ok, a VERY trivial mistake on my part. Lets argue about the politics and statehood and independent borders of countries and states then ? Remember though, I'm the problem, I'm a Xenophobe and a disgrace. You certainly don't need to apply logic, history, truth or data when discussing with a nut-job like myself. Call me some names (you aren't even good in THAT department, I can come up with better than the unimaginitive drivel YOU flung my general direction).
Help. help help.. I'm a disgrace.
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Thane

Can't resist watching those reruns where Gabriel's top keeps getting smaller (lol).

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

And, since we're splitting hairs. I said "it was a MODERATE muslim, VERY small country (Brunei, Borneo)." Borneo is very obviously an ISLAND. Brunei is a state or country ON that island. Would you need the GPS stats as well ? This is like arguing about Hawaii being a country, an island, part of a country, a state thats PART of a country ETC. Before you come off with "this justs shows how uneducated you are." or some such non-sense to back up MORE drivel, just remember, I'm a fundamentalist wacko, xenophobe (and every OTHER "..phobe" disgrace to YOUR America.
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Thane