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Anybody check out the monitors that Glades has on the classifieds? Awesome looking animals, they look massive. Anybody have any info or any additional pics?
-Brian
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1.1 Mali uromastyx
0.1 Croc monitor
0.1 Ball Python
1.0 Coastal Carpet Python
3.2 Bearded Dragons

That is V. Komaini a solid black form of water monitor. Not to be confused with v. Togians which are black also but have a white and black banded chin and underside.

They have been known for quite a few years now.

That animal is very impressive and looks nice but it also looks very grumpy, and it has a hefty price tag for a w/c IMO.

I've seen V. komaini, but the one's I've seen weren't as bulky and the heads were shaped differently from what I remember. You could be right though. As for the price tag, yeah, definately a bit much.
-Brian
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1.1 Mali uromastyx
0.1 Croc monitor
0.1 Ball Python
1.0 Coastal Carpet Python
3.2 Bearded Dragons

If you compare it to a young water then yes the head is bulkier but the head of an adult greatly differs then that of a youngster.

Or maybe you saw skinny wild caughts? Also in the picture he is pissed off and in threat display making him much larger looking. Check out the second picture of just the head.

If I have to I will put up pictures to compare it with. Maybe that will help you all out.

And be sure your thinking of komaini not togian.

This is a pair, looks just like mine in every way!

Hi Jody, It appears to not have the same tail ridge that salvators have, and also shorter stockier legs and toes. And more body scale rows.

I ask you if you could look at that please, as you know, I am no expert with salvators and do not have any at this time. Other then the head(pure salvator looking) it looks like a mini KD. Thanks FR

hurry and get it today before the price skyrockets!!!!

It still looks Komaini to me. It is in full threat display in the one picture so maybe that is whats throwing you off. The second pic of just the head you can see it is all salvator.

Are you confusing Komaini and Togian? The scales differ in them as well as the keeled row of scales on the tail.

The feet look like my big male waters.

looks like it was dipped in Tar or something, lol.

I think it's just amazing that a reptile vender dicovered a new species that not even the scientist or biologist know about.
Hahahaha
Anything for a sell.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

I think it's kinda funny that most new species come through the pet trade before science has a chance to play with them. Especially since it's generally importers/collectors who find these animals and they're gonna sell to the pet trade before they sell to science...why? MONEY. Vendors/dealers will offer more for a new species/morph/mutation/etc than a biologist. For those who collect these animals, that's what it's all about...money.
-Brian
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1.1 Mali uromastyx
0.1 Croc monitor
0.1 Ball Python
1.0 Coastal Carpet Python
3.2 Bearded Dragons

Last I checked violins had nothing to do with herps but seems these folks are more up to date on the NEW (haha) species then the herp community.

http://www.bowworks.com/pages/catalog/wraps/skin/LLMWBL.php

how did you find that? thats strange

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That's just a regular water monitor skin which has been dyed . If you look at the other skins they offer like thevtegu they have been dyed also . They can take any color skin and turn them whatever color they want now ... it's not unusuall to find them in will colors like purple , pink , green , candy apple red etc.
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Stella St.Pierre
www.bluetegu.com

Are you always so serious???

I was making a joke. Did you not see (haha)???

Dang girl laugh a little for once on this forum would you.

This monitore is the V.s.Komaini. There from The Thailand ,Burma Reigion.And they are very rare. A friend of mine has a friend name Mark that is a Expert on monitores (he has thousands of documents on them , and has written lots of articals on them. I think he wrote the artical on water monitores in Reptiles mag this year. This is what he said it was . Thanks Russ

"The black dragons that we obtained or not from Thailand they are from
Malaysia the komini does not occur there. If you would like to discuss
in further detail, feal free too call me at 352 568 1713."

Interesting, they are actually serious that they are something new, LOL, anything for a buck...

I emailed saying hey those are nice looking varanus Komaini. I don't see those to often available.

Then I said I had the other form of black water v. togians myself. Then asked if he was expecting any more or females to come in.

He replied saying, he was expecting females and to give him a call. He said nothing to argue with me about them not being Komaini.

Also note: The name V.komaini is used to describe many black water monitors that appear in the wildlife trade, but no such subspecies has been formally described and black animals attributed to many subspecies are known from many coastal regions and V.andamanensis is a melanistic race from the Andaman Islands

In many overseas zoo's it is simply called Black Jungle monitor, however it is still a black form of water monitor no matter what name we call it.

what do you think of the black panay monitor from the philippines?

is that Varanus mabitang??

black and yellow bottom

He was sold as a normal blackthroat, then his colors changed in a few months.
Ya, he emailed saying that this is a new species, not a water monitor, especially not a komaini, this was the second email sent from him. I didnt expect this from this company, I could name many others Id expect it from.

For some reason it wont let me access the classifieds, can anyone please give me a direct link?
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"From my rotting body flowers shall grow, and i them - and that is eternity."

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=53&de=266028

Thank you. But it still bloody tells me i dont have the rights to access the classifieds. This is so odd, ive always been able to access it before.
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"From my rotting body flowers shall grow, and i them - and that is eternity."

thats funny, i can never access the feeder section ???

Brian, I was offered this "new" monitor months ago. John A saw the pictures and told me it was salvator??

Anyway, 2 other pictures when they were over seas. 5,000?

4800 here..

ha

Beau

Yep thats a black salvator typically called V. Komaini.

A few others have them how about it Jobi post up a pic.

Here is a young one

Here are some links on them
Black jungle Monitor

Melanistic Salvators