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Our first CB hatchlings! Just thought I'd share a couple of pictures. These are just too beautiful not to show off

Sacha

Natural Elaphe Collection (guess I have to change the title)

Be careful not to drool on your keyboard

Sacha

Your pride is well placed!! What a beuatiful, marvelous creature!! Get those babies established and out in the hobby.

LOL!!! Thanks.

Well, I am certainly not the first one to breed them, but it's a step closer to establishing them.

Sacha

You got my sweet tooth Sacha....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Congats Sacha! Long time no talk. Obviously you've been doing well. Good to see you had some success. Drop me a line sometime.

---Glenn

gnpreptiles@hotmail.com

They are definitely on my list. Randy W.

Sorry for sounding ignorant, but, what kind of rats are those?

They are gorgeous!!!! Congratulations!
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1.0 green iguana-Deitrich
1.1 Common Boa-Un-Named, Ursula
1.0 Ball Python-Anabell (go figure!)
1.0 Red Tegu-Uteg
1.0 Albino Cal King-Pig
0.1 Mexican Black King-Morticia
1.1 Bearded Dragons-Unnamed, Hanabil
1.0 Albino San Diego Gopher-Unnamed
0.1 Hermans tort-Esio
1.1 JCP-Milton, Medusa
1.1 Reverse Okeetee Corn-Unnamed
0.1 Snow Corn-Unnamed
1.0 Hypo Okeetee Corn-Unnamed
0.1 Motley Okeetee-Unnamed
1.0 Western Hoggie-Wyrm
0.0.1 Rose Hair Taruntla-Unnamed
2.0 Leopard Geckos-Reptar, Pogo
4.1 cats-Tucker,Poe,Abhib,Emerald, Felicity
0.1 Bullmastiff-Asha

...Chinese Bamboo Rat Snakes (Oreophis porphyracea vaillanti).

I have always thought the other subspecies were much more beautiful than coxi. Really a stunning snake.
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Chris Harrison

Thanks!

Same here. Don't get me wrong, coxi is beautiful, but I think the pattern on these is more interesting as they have stripes and bands.

Sacha

The coxi are beautiful, but I'm getting rid of mine. They just don't make a very good pet snake, although they are pretty hardy too. I will be moving to the Southwest in a few years and it's too dry there.

I like the vaillanti better also, not that I have any yet, but not just because they are prettier. I think they are a more interesting snake because of the taxonomy and because of their natural history. My theory is that coxi and vaillanti aren't that closely related. They are definitely not the same subspecies, but they might even get separate species status some day. The vaillanti remind me of the helena from India.

Good luck raising them, Sacha.

Cheers....TC

record of the pattern change from hatchling to adult for the vaillanti? I've never seen the in-between stages myself. Truly beautiful little bugger. Congratulations
Regards
John

Thanks John!

Well, the closest person I can think of would be Rex (probably also Klaus). Rex first hatched one two years ago, and he may have even sent me an update of that hatchling (couldn't find it). But vaillanti doesn't really go through a dramatic pattern change like coxi since most of them keep their bands (well the nice ones). The black does lighten up a bit and usually leaves a black border around the bands (see mama attached).

Sacha

I think that change (the lightening of the bands and the appearance of the stripes) if documented with frequent photos would make a fascinating time lapse study. of course it would take some kind of digital photoshop wizard to take photos of the snakes in all different positions and make that become a time lapse montage or progression
John

Here is CB'02 female from Tam Dao, Vinh Phu province, Vietnam, and pic is from this summer.

Timo Paasikunnas/Finland

This pic is from last autumn, CB'02 male from same locality as female in my earlier message, Tam Dao, Vinh Phu province, Vietnam.

Timo Paasikunnas/Finland

Timo,

I know this reply pretty late, but that animals looks like a O. porphyracea coxi.

Sacha

Hi Sacha,

I look forward to the day these are established. I'll never forget the first time I saw a picture of the nominate form in "Snakes of Thailand and their Husbandry". I've been intrigued by these snakes ever since.

I'll add that I also prefer O. p. vaillanti and the nominate form over O. p. coxi. Not that I've ever seen the nominates in person, however.
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Current snakes:

1.1 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Silver/Yellow)

3.4 Gonyosoma oxycephala - (Green)

2.1 Gonyosoma janseni - (Black)

Well, my absolute favorite subspecies are pulchra (see Klaus-Dieter Schulz's website) and the nominate (especially the juvenile pattern with the white outlines).

Sacha

compliments,
I would have some info:
I'm in contact with an european breeder that succesfully reproduced vaillanti and he said me that over 25°C (77F) they refuse food. Which is your experience?
Thank you
regards
nazzza

Thanks Nazza!

I keep mine at room temperature without any additional heat which is about 24-25C (just a fluorescent light on a timer for photo period).

Sacha