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Here is a chance to show off your perfect Milk Snake!!!

KerryBarr Oct 30, 2004 12:58 AM

Hello,

I have been collecting colubrids for just about a year now and I have been very interested in the various Milk Snakes on the market. I have been to various shows, and read many posting regarding the different types of Milks that have been breed etc. I look at these snakes and am very impressed, but am still very unclear as too why one snake is better then others.. Here is your chance to educate me and to show off your favorite/nicest Milk Snakes...I understand it is a matter of choice, but for example, I would like to understand why one Hypo Honduran Milk Snake is nicer then the other by looking at the attached picture and reading your feedback as to what makes the snake your favorite, etc. Also, I know having a snake with various hets is an extreme bonus, but I am more interested in understanding the various patterns, morphs, banding, etc.

This information will be extremely helpful for when I am purchasing more snakes for my collection.

Thank you in advance for you participation!

Kerry

Replies (14)

Hotshot Oct 30, 2004 07:11 AM

Here is my favorite milk. I dont keep any morphs or double- triple het animals, with the exception of one albino. My favorite of the snakes are the way Mother Nature intended them, normal!
So its fitting that my favorite in my collection is my L.t.triangulum X L.t.Syspila intergrade that is naturally occuring here in KY. The silvery background with the dark red saddles and his red irises are absolutely awesome. Mother Nature made, and beautiful!!

Hope you enjoy the pic.
Brian


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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

RACERS
1.0 Eastern Yellow Belly racer "Nightcrawler" (MO locale)

KINGS
1.1 California king snake "Bandit and Moonstar" (Coastal phase)
1.0 Prairie king snake "Bishop" (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake "Domino" (KY locale)
1.0 Desert Kingsnake "Gambit"

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

SPJ01 Oct 31, 2004 03:06 AM

Here is my favorite milk. It's a Pueblan with perfect banding.

MarcB Oct 31, 2004 07:50 AM

2003 Hypomelanistic Tri-color Honduran
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pasims Oct 31, 2004 08:16 PM

I don't have one, but really admire the hypo tri colors. They seem to get better looking (less dark tipping)every year. Exceptional!!

MarcB Nov 01, 2004 07:15 AM

pweaver Oct 31, 2004 11:01 AM

it's really just a matter of personal preference.
Here's a vanishing patter hypo that I hatched out this year.
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pweaver Oct 31, 2004 11:01 AM

this one was produced by Terry Dunham.

kingsnaken Nov 01, 2004 06:12 PM

Hey Paul, That is awesome! Will this snake keep this look all its life? Derek

rtdunham Oct 31, 2004 11:51 AM

Hi Kerry, good question.

I think you're asking about both people's preferences and the fact that you see such different prices on some varieties. Both are indicators of popularity. Paul's right when he says it's partly personal preference. Here are a few other thoughts, limited to hondos but applicable to others as well.

Albinos: They're very dramatically altered from the normal, and different is always of interest and appeal to some people. They're also rare, or at least still uncommon compared to normals. You have to remember it's only been in the last 10 years or less that albino hondos have been available--I paid $7100 for one of my first. Those first albinos were tricolors and it was year until (very recently) the first tangerine albinos were produced. They're arguably prettier; they have richer colors, generally; and they fade less so they retain more of their beauty as adults. AND, they're rarer, because people had to cross those first tricolor albinos to tangerine normals, then selectively breed the offspring to get ever-better tangerine albinos. So it's arguably a combination of appeal & supply.

Hypos: Much the same as with albinos. They have less tipping, and they darken less overall with age. So they're generally prettier. And lthey're also a phenomenon of just the past decade, so supply is still an issue. The first hypos were tangerines so THEY had to be outcrossed just the opposite direction from the albinos--to tricolors, in sthis instance--so tricolor hypos like the ones marc shows in this thread are far less common than tangerine hypos, and some would argue they're prettier. I'm in that camp.

Everyone has different tastes, that's why carmakers produce cars in different colors. Similarly, one person might find a snow (double morph albino and anerythristic) a plain animal compared to the gaudy colors of normals, for example, while others might think a snake with pastel shades of yellow, pink and white is stunning (i'm in that camp). But with the double morphs--snows, ghosts, and eventually hybinos--they're both new "looks" that may or may not be coveted, AND they're rarer than the single morphs because of the lower "yield" you get when breeding to produce them.

I hope that makes some sense. By the way, although i mis-used the terms above, we'd all be better off saying "amelanistic" than albino, because it's more descriptive and accurate, and "hypoerythristic" instead of anerythristic for the same reason--an anerythristic would be solely black and white (or gray), yet what we call "anery" hondos almost always show varying amounts of erythrins--pale yellow, violet, even orange sometimes. It's very very subltle, but so long as any of those colors are present, the snake has REDUCED colors of that type ("hypo-" NOT the absence of those colors ("an-".

peace
terry

coolhl7 Oct 31, 2004 02:54 PM

tangerine phase scarlet king

phflame Oct 31, 2004 03:56 PM

is MY perfect milksnake. He is also my ONLY milksnake. He is pretty darn calm for a milk. He is also pretty small for a Honduran, as he is maybe 3 feet long.

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phflame

nategodin Nov 01, 2004 08:00 AM

Hello,
I know I post a lot about my black milks here, but I have a very nice Sinaloan as well. I love those wide red bands, and she has a perfect pattern (no missing bands) all the way down to her tail.

Nate

Jeff Hardwick Nov 01, 2004 09:18 AM

Todd Accornero gets credit for this shot. Sure, the snake is OK but the photo is just superb.
Jeff Hardwick Jis97@aol.com

thomas davis Nov 01, 2004 09:38 PM

well pueblans are my fav's a lil skittish especially as youngsters but great snakes nonetheless,,,,,,thomas davis

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