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Follow-up to Pic for Mike Panic and those that like...You Decide...long!

John Q Jun 29, 2003 07:41 PM

A few days ago,6/25, I posted a pic to share, nothing more than eye candy. Mike had placed a couple of wanted post and it appeared that the post went unanswered. I posted a pic of my female bloodred that is also motley. She is one of several projects I am working on and also one of the ones that MAY prove out this year. Along with anery tamaulipan ratsnakes, axanthic brooksi, F2 Okeetees, and reverse okeetees. It has been an awesome breeding season but nothing has hatched out and a couple females are still gravid. Mike contacted me about the female and asked if she is a hypo. I responded yes because I believe she is, at least by definition. I didn't produce her nor did the seller. The seller is still active on Kingsnake but he buys and sells mostly. He does some breeding but I see wanted post and then a short time later he sells the project. I do know that he did not produce her. Marcel saw the post of the eye candy and liked it so much he posted it on that other forum, www.bleep. Well instead of getting the usual positive feedback you would expect from eye candy, some skeptic started making comments that were not positive. He would be really disappointed if one of his bloodreds ended up with that much black. Well, I'm over your disappointment because she's not yours, she's mine and I am completely satisfied with her. Take a look at her pic, isn't that disappointing? Wouldn't you just be bummed if that was your snake?
If you read the books, including the Loves corn snake manual, there are references to the great amount of variance from one specimen to another.Page 106 and 107 show some excellent examples of this with 3 very different snow corns. All three are different and all three are snows. The butter corn on page 107 is a bit different also. If you look at page 114, the two bloodreds are very different but are still bloodreds.
I shared the pic as eye candy and to the couple of people that contacted me I made it clear that it is a project and that most if not all of the questions will be answered when the eggs hatch. I may get bloodreds that are both motley and hypo. I may get hets and if I do, sorry to the skeptics, I still will not consider it a failed project. Hets that will produce offspring that look like that female, not bad in my opinion. The pics are here for you to decide if she is hypo or not. What I see is a reduced amount of black and reduced intensity of black. Looks hypo to me but you can decide for yourself.
One final comment, I guarantee that the few hatchlings that will be offered will be honestly represented. I plan on keeping most of them regardless, homozygous or het, or maybe even some other surprise. I only wanted to share some eye candy not start a pi**ing contest.

Closeup of her head

Dorsal closeup

Replies (5)

carlos lahitte Jun 29, 2003 09:42 PM

Hey John . GOOD WORK,That bloodred is gorgeous, I have 13 bloodred now and I don't have 2 that look the same.

kingmike Jun 30, 2003 12:04 AM

I would pretty confidently say Hypo, The reason being I have a Hypo Bloodred that is almost a twin to yours, I will post her pic as soon as I figure out how. P.S. I bred her to a hypo male last year and had Hypo babies, I bred her to the same male this year and she is due in about 2 weeks.

pewter Jun 30, 2003 03:55 AM

so it´s time to post some pic´s of hypo looking snakes that are NOT hypo:


some small ones, i don´t have much traffic








and now a hypo that looked normal

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Marcel Poots Jun 30, 2003 04:07 AM

I think it is a very nice female. A sister from the clutch she is in is a Bloodred Hypo right? That proves she could be a Hypo. No one has produced a Bloodred Hypo Motley so no one can be sure what they look like. My Hypo X Bloodred has a big amount of black in him (see pic and look at tail) so the amount of black in yours should not prove she is 'not a hypo'. I guess only the hatchlings will tell. No matter what I think it is an awesome corn. Would have loved to see a belly pic of her..

Marcel
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Marcel Poots (Holland)

'Where is your crown King Nothing?' James Hettfield

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mike_panic Jun 30, 2003 03:26 PM

about purchasing animals,to be private. Our discussions of what you have or think you have are no ones business. Im all for sharing info but when I email you about a serious inquiry there is no reason for you to post it publically. Or even the fact that we spoke is not really necassary to mention publically. Its really no body's buisness. I could care less if the snake turned out to be Hypo or not but was more interested in the fact that it was a Bloodred Motley. Its no big deal but there was no reason to even contact me that way. You could have emailed me a photo rather than put my name in a public post. As you said yourself, I had a post up on the classifieds for snakes that I am looking to pick up thats true. Why not just respond that way, by clicking the contact button?. If you want to market an animal, do it by yourself. Im sorry some folks got on you. I think the snake looks legit but dont use the fact that you spoke with me to legtimize ANYTHING!

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