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Can anyone tell me which localitie this gray band probably comes from ?
My first thought is Christmas Mountains.

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That would be very hard to do with any accuracy.

That said, it does not look typical of Christmas Mt. animals. I would say it (or at least it's parents) is from way further east.

Who knows?

The lack of alternates makes me think HKM is correct in thinking further east.
Cool looking snake.
Later
Rick

high band count, lack of alternates, east would be my guess. cool snake but it's probably non locale

Nice uniform looking snake, but certainly not like any locality I've seen,not from the west, or the east. My first guess is that it has some blairs and some L. Mex in it as well. Just my guess, since it has such a clean pattern and given it's overall look.

When I first looked at it I thought the same thing, that there might be a little crossing going on? Band number seemed low for pyro or greeri influence, maybe mex?? It's hard to say. I have seen F2 pyro X alternas that looked similar to that beast in the photo, but you can't tell for sure... Good thought!! H

I have seen Alterna look like this from Langtry off of highway 90. They are stunning from this area I think, so I am going to put my guess in that this snake's gene pool resides in the Langtry area. I do not think this is a mix of anything.

Wayne H. (www.snakeworld.com)

In my opinion the coloration of the snake is very typical of a langtry snake, as well as the shape of the saddles, I saw 2 wild caught males from the langtry area in 1996 that showed very similar "hour glass" tapered saddles . The reason I think something else is in this grayband is due to 3 things, first the overall look of the pattern is unusually uniform, the head pattern seems atypical for L.Alterna and the nuchal and head shape look unusual or out of proportion in some way.

L.Alterna is highly variable, and It is not possible for me to tell if there is some, or any crossing going on, but I'd guess while it resembles some locality Alterna, there is something different going on here out side of the typical parameters of "texas gray band" variability, and the variations in this particular snake are unusual for L.Alterna. If this were a wild caught snake i'd have to guess it were an integrade from somewhere way south of the border.

Jim

Thanks for all the replies.
I got this animal in a trade and I don't know how the parents are.
So you think that this snake is an intergrate or even a hybrid.
That would be a shame but I like the animal this way.
I will post another picture from the head.

Smell.

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I have compared your full-body and head shot to a couple of hybrids in my collection. Your animal has many characteristics of two hybrids we obtained a couple of years ago when we bred a large Langtry male alterna with a female Durango Mountain king (greeri). In my opinion you do have a hybrid there. In my experience, there have been very few blairs with as many saddles (16-18) as your animal has. Also, I think the symmetry of the saddles is suggestive of a greeri, mex-mex, or Nuevo Leon influence. There is someting about the head that just doesn't scream pure alterna to me. Nonetheless, it is an awesome specimen, and for those who don't mind non-locale specific animals, or who are in favor of hybridization (like me), it would be an awesome snake to own and breed.

Mssdds can you show me a picture of this hybrids please ?

Smell.
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how old is this animal and what sex?

It's a male CB 2004.

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