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Can anyone tell me some distinguishing features between the two? Or is one considered more "Pastel"? Favorites?

Thanks,
Chris
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Bell line pastels keep their bright colors even throughout adulthood. I have not personally seen any adult Graziani line pastels, but I have heard that they brown as they age.
We have many Bell line pastels and all of them still look great and very colorful.
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Come on you are not really serious, are you? I own 3 "imported" proven pastels so what are they my proven line #1, #2, #3. Get over it. Good pastels are good pastels, regardless of where they came from ugly ones are just that. Anyone that is willing to be honest with you will tell you that they have had #10's and #3's out of the same clutch. Douglas Beard / Flora & Fauna

Of course I'm serious. I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't. But perhaps I should clarify...I'm not looking for a "pretty" Pastel. I'm looking for information about the differences between the two. That's all. If...for instance...both the original Bell and Graziani Pastels happened to be siblings in the wild, I'd know that they were the exact same snake. Fine. Cool. Now I know. But as someone else stated, one tends to "brown" as it gets older, and one does not. (Or so I was told in the above reply.) If this is true, then there is a difference between the two...and I'm learning. I apologize if I scream of dolt, but I'm curious. I'd like to purchase based on an informed decision. Thank you for your time.

Chris
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Chris

I think you missed what Doug was saying.

There are very "nice" animals from every line of pastel, and likewise there are "ugly" (hate to say that) pastels from every line.

If you select a "nice" animal from any line it will tend to stay nice.

Bell pastels brown out too, it just depends on what you started with.

As a general rule orange browns out wih age, yellow mostly holds.

Hope that helps
TomChambers

Ah! Now I get it! Thank you so much.

(Doug, I apologize for my ignorance.)

One more question...an "ugly" Pastel can still throw "pretty" Pastel babies...right? Just like with Piebalds...a "low white" Piebald can still throw "high white" babies?

Thanks Again,
Chris
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Chad Bachman

So the point is there isn't much deviation between the lines. the deviations are between each individual animal.

Pick the right animal and you will be happy no matter what line.

Although NERD claims their lemmons do hold colors better, but I have only seen a few adults, not enough to make a decision on.

TomChambers

I seen are no brighter than any other line & in alot of cases darker brown, but again, some are sweet.
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Chad Bachman

Chris,

I have been breeding and produced pastels now for 3 years have produced just over 100 of them. They are all from the Graziani line. My males consist of one of the original pastels produced from the very first clutch in '97 as well as an F2 male (Super X Pastel clutch). I have some more that will be ready this year as well.

The variation amongst all the offspring is broad to say the least. Some are darker. Some are lighter. Some get better with age. Some get worse. I have produced some that look like Lemon Pastels and have some that I could easily label as blonde.

All in all I think that most people forget one very important factor. The female! She is as much a contributer as the male. Sometimes more.

The first year I produced pastels I used the original F1 male. He thtrew some absolute beauties. Ask Jeff Favelle. Not bad for an F1. The point I am also trying to make is that as you move up generations, they get even better. I have some pastels that some people would swear are super pastels.

The end result and consistency comes from selective breeding and doing your homework. I guess that's what your doing by asking your original question. But the best teacher is experience itself. And it's fun as well!

Good luck!

Mark
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So what do you look for in the female? High yellow and clean patterns? Dark females? Ones with a lot of blushing?

Thanks,
Rob

I like blushing, and a nice clean yellow pattern, but thats just me. I also like the light brown (not dark) pastels with lots of blushing.
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Chad Bachman

"The variation amongst all the offspring is broad to say the least. Some are darker. Some are lighter. Some get better with age. Some get worse. I have produced some that look like Lemon Pastels and have some that I could easily label as blonde."

The above stated is the same thing I have seen after producing a couple generations of pastels myself. Even though I have not produced that many, I too have seen some darken, some lighten, and plenty that show as good as the "blondes" and "lemons".
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The big one is 0.1 Graziani and the small one is a 1.0 Bell. Hope this helps....

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