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BLIZZARD PROJECT UPDATE!!!!!

Jeremy Stone Nov 02, 2004 12:09 AM

Hello Boa Friends, It has been awhile since I posted. I was just finishing up some final touches on the Web site, and I took these pictures. This Project is one I have been working on for 6 years now. It is a special project to me because I LOVE the Type 2 Anerythristic Matriarch I am using. She is one of my favorite Snakes. I have some reason to believe she is also an Axanthic, but the future will tell. I thought I would update you and give you my thoughts since I told people in here that I would.

This Year I had 2 chances of producing the Blizzard. I successfully had 2 litters from DH to DH. The First litter I had 23 babies. 7 Albinos, 3 Anerythrstics, a bunch Of Poss Double Hets, and NO blizzard. The Second Litter was 17 babies NO Slugs. 6 Albinos, and 6 anerythristics, and more Poss DH's and NO BLIZZARD. I also had 2 people who bought Double Hets 3 years ago breed 2 different litters. One was John Birgel who had a small litter with NO Blizzard, and the other was Pete Kahl. He had a good litter, and AGAIN NO BLIZZARD. Both had a mix of nice Anerys and Albinos, but NO Blizzard. This Brought MANY questions. Was the snake REALLY a Type 2 Anery? WHy No Blizzard? IS the one out of 16 REALLY that HARD???? YES!!!!!!!! I am very confident I have just missed the numbers, and I'm excited to breed this year and find out What that DANG Blizzard Looks like.

Not only was I excited for the Blizzard, but I was curious to see what the Anerys would look like because of the 1/2 Central And 1/2 Columbian Blood. I was also wanting to see the Albinos. The DH's had a ton of saddles so I was sure the Albinos would have a lot more saddles which would make them more colorful in my opinion. Well, HERE IS THE RESULTS.

In the Picture, you can see that the Anery is FOR SURE ANERY, and the Albinos do have a lot of pattern. They also have a lot of lavenders. The Interesting part was the Anerythristics. They were SOOO Different in all the different looks. Many had high patterns, and some with some very neat saddles. Even the NORMALS that come out seem to have an anusually RED tail. WEIRD. Anyway, I was very happy with the outcome becuase these are VERY STRONG bloodlines. For some reason these Central American Bloodlines strenghten the Columbians. I held back all the Albinos, and most the ANerythrsitics and All the Female Poss DH Snows Blizzards this year. The Matriarch Type 2 Gave birth to another litter, and I sold very few of those too. For some reason I am VERY determined with this project, and it is just one of those very special to me. I hope you all enjoy the pics. IF you have any questions, please feel free to post, and I'll be happy to answer. Or, you can privatley email me. I am ALMOST done with the NEW WEB PAGE. YES, it is taking a long time, but I want it done RIGHT. Take Care Everyone, and May you have the BEST of breeding season in 05. Jeremy Stone
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Replies (14)

Randall_Turner Nov 02, 2004 12:15 AM

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robertmcphee Nov 02, 2004 07:13 AM

the way it does in the colombian crosses. If they are indeed type II how come they do not carry as much black into the tail. Also if the colombian looks like that, how can that be an advantage in the chase for the pure white snake aka blizzard? I hope you do not take this as me being an A$$ hole, just a couple of questions that I was wondering if you have thought about. Im also very surprised that after so many litters there has not been a blizzard. It has become a sort of a Holy Grail. Is it possible that the type II anery gene does not act as we would suspect, as in the colombian snow? Maybe the amelanistic gene of the colombians does not mix with the anery Type II gene at all. Anyways, good luck! And those snakes definitely have a unique look to them.

THanks
Bob

Mickey_TLK Nov 02, 2004 11:49 AM

And it looked very similar to the anery in your picture Robert. It looked NOTHING like a columbian anery, was solid blacks.

I imagine some animals in the litter pick up more of the ca influence while others pick up the columbian. However I would also like to hear Jeremys thoughts on the issue, as he has seen all the anerys in person.
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Jeremy Stone Nov 02, 2004 12:04 PM

Thanks for the Reply Mickey. I agree with you. There were MANY that looked more CA, and many that looked Columbian. The Anery I used in the Picture was for a REASON. I was showing that it DID look more Columbian but BECUASE of that it is STILL very SILVERY. That was my point for it maybe being AXANTHIC. It also shows very easy that it IS an Anerythristic as many people may think the Type 2 may not be genetic in a recessive way. Yes, I have many more from the breeding that looks very similar to the Type 2. I'll post more of those pics when I can take them. Take Care Mickey, Thanks for weighing in. Jeremy

Jeremy Stone Nov 02, 2004 11:55 AM

Robert, I don't at all take offense to your comment. You're just explaining your thought. My grandsire Type 2 Anery looks similar to the one you put in your picture. I don't think the blizzard is going to be the HOLY GRAIL. I think the Lucy will. You have to remember that that anery isn't a PURE TYPE 2. IT has 1/2 Columbian gene in this. This paticular anerythrisitic I put a Picture of resembles more Columbian in it then it does CA. I did that for a reason to show that the Type 2 is a RECESSIVE gene no matter how you stack it. I think IF the type 2 is axanthic, then the Blizzard will be INCREDIBLE even with 1/2 Columbian, but it is still going to take another 3 to 5 years to breed out the Columbian once we get the Blizzard. I'll post more pics later of some of the Anerythristics that came out in the litter that RESEMBLE more Columbian. They have more of the BLACK tail similar to the TRUE type 2's. I was showing that picture because Many people were thinking the Type 2 wasn't a anery because of all the numbers and NO BLIZZARD so far. The comment below even suggested it may only work with the SHarp Strian!!! To me that isn't even Possible for it to work with one and not the other. The BLIZZARD is JUST an albino/anery. Not a new Mutation of its own. I'm confident that I just have Yet to producen anr Albino that ALSO has the Anerythristic gene. That is ALL it takes to make the Blizzard. Keep in mind I also bred 2 normal DH snow Columbians together one year and I get 34 babies and NO SNOW!!!!! The year before I bred that same female and got only 12 babies, and there was 2 snows. So, this 1 out of 16 takes a little more luck then we think. Take Care, and thanks for sharing your thoughts. Jeremy

Jeremy Stone Nov 02, 2004 11:57 AM

I meant that I would post pics later of the Anerys that resemble more of the Central. (I said Columbian Above) They are still awesome with the White Buggy eyes. Jeremy

robertmcphee Nov 02, 2004 04:04 PM

veteran of the herp industry. I only recently began my journey--a couple of years ago). Anyways I believe that it will be an exciting project nonetheless. Oh yeah, I forgot about the Lucy. That would be an awesome sight. Good luck, and keep us posted.

Thanks
Bob

ajfreptiles Nov 02, 2004 09:19 AM

What are the chances that the blizzard genetics are only going to work through the sharp strain? Useing the original strain is incompatable with sharp why would this not be true with the blizzard project? This is just an uneducated guess. Please continue to post, as this sounds facinateing! Thanks Andy Federico

Jeremy Stone Nov 02, 2004 12:01 PM

HI Andy, thanks for the post. I think the chances of it working with the Sharp Strain is the exact same as the Kahl strain. Think BOTH would work. I think It is just a numbers game, and I have yet to produce an Albino that is Also An anerythristic. You have to remember every single Embroy that is impregnated has a 1 in 16 chance. EVERY SINGLE one. That means if you flip a 16 sided dice, and you pick the number 2, how many times will you have to flip that die to make it hit the number 2. The ODDS are it should be 1 time out of every 16. However, you may flip it 40 times before you get your number 2, and you also may flip it 40 times and hit is 12 times or more. It is just the ODDS game. Take Care, Jeremy

mdc Nov 02, 2004 03:13 PM

Are you thinking that the same gene is responsible for making it anery and axanthic, or do you think your original type 2 female is showing two different homozygous traits from two different genes. If the latter is the case, I would think that this is nearly impossible to happen in the wild as you would first have to have double hets, and then hit that 1/16. Also, I would find it hard to believe that the same gene would remove all red and all yellow, although I would tend to believe this more than the previous explanation. I guess I just don't understand why you think it is axanthic also. My first guess would just be that CA boas tend to lack yellow as compared to Colombians and this carried through in this breeding. Could you please explain a little more of why you think it is axanthic and whether or not you think it is the same gene that is causing the anerytherism.

Thanks,
Matt Crabe

Jeremy Stone Nov 02, 2004 03:44 PM

Hey Matt, You bring up interesting points. I totally disagree about where it came from in the wild. Both parents don't have to be DH. The snake can have the genes that take out YELLOW and RED at the same time. I don't think it is two genes, I think it is ONE. IT does happen in other species of snakes too. It wasn't untill corn snake breeders found the Type 2 Anerythristic that was Axanthic as well to produce the BLIZZARD Corn snake. The Snow Corns are JUST like Snow Boas. They turn YELLOW as adults. However, I believe THIS line of Anerythristic is ALSO axanthic. IT is just my opinion though. The only way I can be sure is to wait to produce the Blizzard and see if it develops any yellow. Also, Anerythristic means NO RED, not lacking red. It simply block all melamorphes from making the color. Axanthic is more of a Reptile Turm also that says NO YELLOW. It isn't lacking. Lacking would be easy to speculate on any snake. So, this is Just my hunch. IF the Type 2 anery gene when combined with the Albino gene does make the snow turn yellow as it is older, I think the ONLY way to make it a pretteir snow is to breed out the Columbian influence in this.

I wish there was a true CA Albino, and that way I could use that instead of the Columbian Albino.

Even if the Blizzard does develope some yellow as it is older, I still think it will be a MUCH MUCH improved Snow.

My point for the Boa being Axanthic, and my reasons for Showing that ANerythristic I did is because that is the Anerythristic that BEST looked like the Columbian Anerythristics, and you can see that the animal is staying Charcoal and not browning out. The Browning out makes the Snow turn Yellow.

Again, this is all my opinion, and just some food for thought. Thanks for sharing your ideas. Take Care, Jeremy Stone

Below is an updated picture of the MATRIARCH of the whole project. 4 years ago, I bred her to an Albino. I raised the Babies up and bred those babies to eachother. The pictures ABOVE are from that Breeding. So, they all have 1/2 Columbian and 1/2 Central American Influence.
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mdc Nov 02, 2004 04:00 PM

Jeremy,

Thanks for the thoughts. It will definately be interesting to see how it turns out.

Matt

snakemannick Nov 02, 2004 09:34 PM

I will breed him into my tiger genes, I think that would be an awesome combo.
Later, thanks for the pics, the albino is 10 times better looking than a normal Colombian albino, I can't wait to see what they look like in three years.

Keep up the good work.
Nick

mrbirgel Nov 03, 2004 12:06 PM

The columbian influence was subtle in our offspring however one of the babies that was born is very strange looking like it was drawn woth pastel crayons it does not resemble the pastels that are out there now at all but rather somthing a little more diffrent. The anery type 2's we produced fromt this batch are neat little animals and look diffrent from the type ones, I think the blizzards are just a matter of time before they are produced and so far the anery babies a few months old now and they are black silver and white no yello unlike the type ones that develope a yellow tinge to them. No matter what influece was uses to get the albino gene into them if there is true axanthism going on the yellow will be genetically removed giving us the whait boas were looking for.
JKB

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