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I believe it will be, if they don't get back to their roots.

They have been using so much propaganda, that rational people can see is false, that there has been a backlash.

They have used terms like racist, warmongers, etc. which simply isn't true.

We have seen liberal media spout this propaganda for many years, and now with the emergence of Fox news, conservative radio stations, and the internet, they no longer have a monopoly over the media. The public is getting an alternative view for once. I believe this trend in conservative stations will not only grow, but that the liberal media will have to become more balanced in order to keep viewers.

If they don't change their ways, and come back toward the middle, people like Michael Moore will be the death of the party, as the public sees this bias and how ridiculous it is, and how it is misshaping Americans views. It is stunning how many dems. think this bit of propoganda was accurate in any way.

Thanks for the backlash and for winning the election for us Michael Moore (and the liberal media as well)!

Rodney

Yesturday we did what we always do with crap... We flushed the Johns!

Eric

Bye bye to the terlits

Y'know us nutjob paranoid rightwingers cain't even spel.
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Thane

The more accurate question? Possibly, I would like to say...but not really. I am reminded of another election where fear was used to elect a leader. But the results are in and we all have to live with the choice.

Make your bigoted remarks Eric East. I see you allready disagree with your reelected leaders plea for healing.

We "johns" at least are not to blame for what is about to happen.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Fortunatly, that didn't happen this time.

Kerry tried to instill fear in the youth by falsly claiming that Bush would draft them. He tried to instill fear in the elderly by falsly claiming social security would be taken away. He tried to instill fear by telling the public that the economy is far worse than it really is.

The only truth in this whole "fear" matter is that terrorists want to kill us, and we have proof of that. (9/11, Russian school killings, bombings in Spain, Phillippeans, Indonesia, Israel, France, The U.S.S. Cole, embasy bombings, beheadings of innocents,......)

If you think it is wrong to show the differences between Bush being strong on security and intelligence and Kerry being weak on them by pointing out terrorist attacks that did happen, as opposed to trying to stir up fear by lying, what can I say?

If you think pointing out actual terrorist attacks is instilling fear on the American public for political gain and lying/making predictions about Bushes future decisions to instill fear on the american public, for which there is no evidence, isn't, I know why you lost the election.

Rodney

do you even read what you write. Im astounded you think Kerry is the one trying to scare everyone. Did you watch any debates or read any papers or even pay attention for 30 seconds over the past year or so. Amazing. Truly amazing ignorance.

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Yep, I sure did! I watched every debate, and I listen to both right wing and left wing radio while making my deliveries to pet shops. And I watch the news when feeding my snakes. What's your excuse for being so misinformed? Have you missed everything the past 2 months? The Kerry team, and dems. in general, made these scare tactic statements constantly for the past 2 months. Again, I see why the dems. lost the election. They couldn't monopolize the media like they usually do, but their supporters still missed a lot of well known important imformation.

SHEBOYGAN, Wis. — Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry has renewed charges that the Bush administration plans to reinstate the military draft, beginning what his campaign calls the "closing argument" in his case against re-electing President Bush.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041016-122657-9426r.htm

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A Kerry ad claims "Bush has a plan to cut Social Security benefits by 30 to 45 percent." That's false.

http://www.factcheck.org/article283.html

Rodney

>>If you think pointing out actual terrorist attacks is instilling fear on the American public for political gain and lying/making predictions about Bushes future decisions to instill fear on the american public, for which there is no evidence, isn't, I know why you lost the election.

Okay. First, I have no problem with actual attacks being pointed out. That's only truthful and fair.
But let's talk about scaring people. How about those orange and red and yellow alerts telling us how scared to be but not what to watch out for? Has it ever gone down less than yellow? Once in an interview someone asked Bush what to look out for. He suggested that if a member of the public sees someone they don't know, getting into a crop duster they don't own, to call the police. Clumsy phrasing aside, that's useless for anyone not living in rural flatlands, and near useless for those that do.
Then there's the reasons to go to war with big scary threatening Iraq. (I'll admit Saddam was a horrible bastard and am glad he's out), but no weapons of mass destruction were found. No terrorists were found. (Well, they're there now, but that's beside the point.)
Here's the thing. If you don't understand the arguments of your opponents, how can you fully understand your own? Of course understanding your opponent takes a fair amount of empathy, troubling questions, troubling answers and painful soul searching. Try it. You'll be stronger for it.
P.S. You asked if Democracy is dead. Let me assure you that the newly registered voters, youngsters among them, leaned 19% Kerry's way. As opposed to long time voters leaning 4% Bush's way. (believe that's the actual figure) No. To use metaphors, we're just having a really bad shed. We'll come out of it shinier and grander than ever.
Maybe things will eventually come to a balanced and respectful two party system of checks and balances where conservatives will stand watch over the finest of old ideals and liberals will pull things forward with best of new ideas? It could happen.
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Actually Rodney, A lot in this election depended on where you were (as evidenced by different reports on the same news stories coming from my family in Conn., GA, and west Florida ) as opposed to what I heard. Who could trust the "honesty" of the media in this one?

In my neck of the woods fear ads from Bush outweighed any other kind of ad more than 20 to one in air time (Probably because Florida was a "battleground state". In the debates I felt Bush was weakest in non home security issues. He was the first to use 911 for political gain, including one disgusting commercial where he is hugging a victim's daughter as she tells the world that the greatest leader on earth only wants to protect her. Talk about exploitation!

Bush Heavily played the fear card and won by it's use.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

No, I didn't ask if democracy was dead. I asked if the democratic party was dead.--big difference.

The US is a representative republic. We will alway have democratic elections based on this, whether the democrat party survives or not.

And again, your main argument is based on Bush saying what every one else was saying. When Bush thought it was true, Kerry thought it was true, the Clinton administration thought it was true, why is Bush using scare tactics when the others weren't? If you want to blame Bush for scaring the public about Iraq, you better start pointing fingers at Kerry first. Kerry said they were a huge threat long before Bush even became president.

Rodney

If you want to go back far enough you can go to Bush Sr. when we actually had a reason to be there.

Frankly i look back to when the issue about even invading Iraq first came up on this forum (it's there for anyone to scroll back to). I warned that we would get bogged down in a Viet Nam type situation and it has come to pass.

So I really don't worry much about my insight on this...seems pretty dead on...

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."