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The end of the thread below is asking about why the terms changed. Steve Osborne had a particularly colorful (but not extremely light) hondo morph years ago that he marketed then and is marketing now as a super hypo, to distinguish them from "regular" hypos. So it seemed confusing to call mike falcon's new and different type by that same name. Since the difference seems to be that mike's are extremely light in the dark rings, the name "extreme" hypo was proposed here on the forum, and the consensus seemed to be that that was a good idea. Mike Falcon approved the suggestion, btw.
I'm gonna post a few more pix separately.
and as for someone's--was it you, adam?--sorta joking remark that soon somebody will refer to an extreme hybino? I've already gotten one such email, asking about a snake someone hatched. I had to say i didn't know what the grounds would be for such a conclusion because if melanin's 100% eliminated, how could we tell if the hypo gene on the snake was reducing it a lot (extreme) or a moderate amount (the typical hypo)? Maybe someday we'll know how to do that too. And maybe it will matter, in subtle ways i don't yet perceive.

terry

I posted a pic below of the extreme i raised here. here's a pic of a male extreme i bought as an adult. It has a slight but distinguishable green tint to it, though that may not be very noticeable on the pic.

Looking at what would be the black rings on a normal, there's no confusing this animal for a "regular" hypo, imho

terry

here's the female adult i got from mike alvarez (originally produced by mike falcon).
She's also got the strange slightly green cast to her dark rings, though that may not show up on the pic.

maybe it shows on the body pic, especially if you compare the pic below to the pic i posted a day or so ago of the head of my original extreme female. There is a difference. But remember, there are differences in NORMAL hondos, too--between tricolors and tangerines, and in the range from orange to red in the "red" rings, and in the range from "white" to "orange" in the narrow mid-triad rings. There's also considerable diff in how much melanin hondos gain with age, and in the ontogenetic acquisition of yellow that leaves some albinos yellow & red and others white and red. So we shouldn't be surprised that extremes or any other type would have considerable variation within whatever rightly belongs in a category.

terry

*applause*

>>*applause*

*bow* ??