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I recently heard that Piebalds are best bred to Het Piebalds, not Piebald x Piebald. Something about when both homozygous Piebalds are bred together, the babies turn out very small and slow growers. Is this true?

Thanks,
Chris
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0.1 Normal
0.1 Banded
1.0 Woma Tiger
0.2 Jungle (Het Piebald)
0.1 Screaming Child
1.0 Migraine

Hate to burst your bubble but all pieds are slow growers. I know of some females that have taken 3 and 4 years before they breed or get of breeding size! I have no idea if breeding to a het would do anything but I wouldn't! Hmm....maybe using a spider sibling to breed and get hets out of. Never know if the spider speed would kick in?!
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John Light
Pristine Pythons
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So...hypothetically...if I were to have...say...1.0 Piebald (proven breeder) and 0.2 Piebalds (breeder size), then breeding them (homo x homo/homo) would be the best thing? All babies would be Piebald...right?

Chris
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0.1 Normal
0.1 Banded
1.0 Woma Tiger
0.2 Jungle (Het Piebald)
0.1 Screaming Child
1.0 Migraine

John, in my limited experience 3 or 4 years is normal for ALL lines of females. Maybe people just care more with the more expensive ones so those are what you hear about. I did have one girl (stripe project) lock up at 18 months for a 2 year old production but she didn't go. Maybe the best breeders and feeders can regularly get the 18 month old females to go but I'm still thinking it's the exception and not the rule and that 3 or 4 years is more normal for when female ball’s become moms.

On the other hand, I've only read about one clutch produced by a pied female, the first clutch where Peter Kahl proved pied genetic. Maybe there have been lots of pied X pied clutches produced but the big breeders who have done these aren't the ones who post lots of clutch information. On the other hand it seems to me that there is an exceptional demand for het pied females for breeders.

Here are some pics from pied to pied. The babies from this clutch were awesome feeders-I still have the Mickey Mouse female and she has never refused a meal--eating rats like a champ. Maybe some people who have purchased some babies we have hatched over the past two years could weigh in here--Doug M., Mack R. and Morton W. come to mind. Yes it took me a long time to raise the original animals and breed them. But once I did, their babies have been very good and I anticipate that the babies from these babies will be as good as the other mutations.

Here is the mom right before laying. I hope she is my first female to lay eggs this year since she is once again starting to look big. Again she has been bred with a male pied.

Here she is on eggs...

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That makes at least two female pieds to lay. Now that Graziani's page no longer gives dates/history for morphs I'm going on memory that pieds where proven 1997 and of course still extremely rare for a while after that. I've got a 1999 possible het albino I hope to FINALLY get eggs from this year so I know there are slow ones in ever group. Makes an awesome pic with a female pied on eggs, hopefully we'll see some more of those.

Thanks for sharing!

The clutch picture is actually my desktop from the first time you posted it. Sorry if I forgot and you mentioned it being from pied X pied back then.

From my understanding one of the two lines of Pieds has a rep for producing picky eaters hence slow growing. The other line isn't suppose to have that draw back.

George

From my understanding one of the two lines of Pieds has a rep for producing picky eaters hence slow growing. The other line isn't suppose to have that draw back.

George

Which line from your understanding has the rep for producing the slower growing picky eaters?

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Becky

This is my female from Pete.

This was 7.27.04 at 116 grams. A week after I got her.

And this was today 11.05.04
When she is in a weigh box she is just about 400 grams

Boy that black spot on her tail grew!! it was just a speck now it's a blotch!!

Another reference photo

She ate rats from day one with me, every five days(when not in shed)

TomChambers