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im fixin to shut mine down for the year and was cage cleaning so thought id get a group shot the male was interested in all of them but the girls just tail slapped&musked him, i hope to produce some nice easterns from this group, even though all will be non-local im hopin for the best,,,
male speckledneck is ne,nc
largest female is s.c unknown county
other huge girl is unknown e.coast from dan felice
and the smallest is a n.ala. girl from our own keith hillson
thanks for lookin,,,,,,,,,thomas

Very nice group ! Also the female I sent you is actually a SC animal of an unknown county.

Keith
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thanks keith, thought she was a ala.girl ahwell thanks for letting me know she's a sc girl even though im not goin for localy breeding this year,theres always '06!,,,,,,,thomas

don't forget i'm on the list for a 1.1 ,lol!

I have a hard time believing that your male is from NC (probably S.Ga or N. Fl). I live here in NC and NEVER seen any look like that! And I DID live in S.Ga. and saw some that looked like your male. Don't worry, it's meant as a compliment, because he looks so much nicer than any NC specimen I've ever seen - just my personal opinion (now I got a bunch of NC. fans hating me, LOL!). Should have some nice & big babies from that group, though! Thanks for sharing and good luck!

Zee

thanks zee
being that i didnt collect any(all are w/c,except the e.coast from dan,its cb'01)im not sure where any are from. to me trying to tell local on l.g.g from a pic is kinda like trying to guess the lotto numbers ,well maybe not that extreme but anyway the male came from reptilebasics and when i got him i called rich because i honestly thought it maybe was a obk because of the speckledneck and at that time was only about 3ft.,he told me it wasnt but was collected by the outerbanks in n.e. nc so? who knows,locality breeding is cool and all but im just going for some nice lookers ,,,take it easythomas

Thomas, aren't we all trying for "good-looking" offspring? As you have pointed out repeatedly after a few generations of captive breeding there isn't much locality left in the particular lines. I think the breeder's choices are, at that point, as much or more influential than the locality. I think we will see certain traits that will become the "normal" appearence of all these different locality types. For example Will Still's southern Ga animals are being bred as a locality pure line, I challenge people to find a typical So.Ga. that looks as good as Will's animals. Similarly, Keith Hillson is keeping his NJ line pure and over time it will come to reflect what HE has chosen as typical of that line. Are they still locality animals, definitely, but these two lines and many others will become much more than just locality animals they will become the artistic expression of the breeders working with each line. The locality has potential, the breeder brings out the potential.
My $.02
Bob Bull

Thomas, aren't we all trying for "good-looking" offspring? As you have pointed out repeatedly after a few generations of captive breeding there isn't much locality left in the particular lines. I think the breeder's choices are, at that point, as much or more influential than the locality. I think we will see certain traits that will become the "normal" appearence of all these different locality types. For example Will Still's southern Ga animals are being bred as a locality pure line, I challenge people to find a typical So.Ga. that looks as good as Will's animals. Similarly, Keith Hillson is keeping his NJ line pure and over time it will come to reflect what HE has chosen as typical of that line. Are they still locality animals, definitely, but these two lines and many others will become much more than just locality animals they will become the artistic expression of the breeders working with each line. The locality has potential, the breeder brings out the potential.
My $.02
Bob Bull

yes bob we all are trying for lookers i dont think ANYONE plans on producing buttuglies, and i totally agree that certain traits will become established,banded,chains,thick,thin,etc,etc,
i just think some people use the term locality as a selling technic,just because an animal descends from a certain locale doesnt mean anything really, its the traits that matter,now sure we can surmise that n.j and e.coast getula are typically thin white chained and that ga. animals tend to be more abberant chained,and have the color from the floridana influence, but its not accurate there are thick banded easterns from n.j and vice-versa all across the range they are very variable even within the same clutch you will get some bands,thin and thick chains regardless of locality,so yes it is the breeders that single out traits and try to breed them true it just bothers me that newbies may think oh that eastern is white thin chained it MUST be a nj animal or wide orange bands thats ga animal, when thats just not the case, case in point remember when the pueblan milksnakes came on the scene early 80's and how everyone wanted to breed them perfect w/no tipping even bands,etc, well its 20+years later and still even though you can get the perfect pueblan no tipping,perfect bands ,etc, breed them and lo&behold when you breed them what pops out sure some are like the parents but some will have tips,broken bands etc, and vice-versa ive had some buttugly puebs throw some outstanding offspring so,,,, its also what makes the hobby so rewarding ya never know what your gonna get anywhoo thats my .03
peacethomas davis

I would be very careful about putting kings together even for a little while. They can get in a feeding mode very quickly.

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