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Doe`s anyone have this species,.. It`s really my ulitmate Rear-fanged snake. I`m trying to get a pair for my private collection but the only thing i have is one bad picture before BGF milked it..

Yeah...i kept a pair for several months till they ate me out of house and home (lol). Neat snakes....Hide box a must.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

really how asome!! how and where did you get them?

They were both w/c and came from S.Florida importers. One was green phase the other black. The black one bit often and well. I saw no signs of envenomation in me or the prey animals. They fed on Fuzzy Rats.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Hi rearfang,
i keep also Thrasops jacksonii.
I got one female CB and one male WC.

You´ve said that you´ve got one green phase.
I guess that´s no Thrasops. I think it´s
a Rhamnophis (formerly regarded as
thrasops aethiopissa).

sorry for my awfully english

Hi, Close but no taco! The green phase of Thrasops jacsoni is dark gray with green showing through...so it shows a subtle pattern. If you are familiar with the other species you mentioned, you will note that it is a more slender snake with different meritistics. No mistake here.

One of the other clues is (like the black phase) it has the same licorice scent after shedding.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Hi Frank,
your explanation has convinced me.
I thought , you have ment some green like the green of leaves.
My female also has kept some characteristics of the
juvenile pattern. It looks something between olive green, dark brown and black.
And- yes, it smells like liquorice, especially when they are shedding.

Greetings from Germany
Claus

Yes Claus, That is the "green phase". More commonly over here we see the solid (shiny) black ones.

I had to give mine up because the female smelled so much like licorice I wanted to chew on her! (kidding)

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Actually a gravid black dropped eggs and the hatchlings were 50 percent black and 50 percent greenish. I have a black one and a baby green one from the same mother and the greenish one is not made a signigicant change to black as fast as I thought. Perhaps they are the same snake and some are born more dark than the others? Any one have any fuzzies to donate to them. They can eat every day.

Probably the same siuation we have with Cal. Kings, where parents can produce either.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Hi Fran,

the "normal" juvenile color is a black and yellow
square pattern (is this correct english?). They become
black within 1 year.
If you got black hatchlings it could be, that your male or female is melanistic.

Claus

this is my female with "normal" juvenile pattern. (one year ago)
Now she got a color phase, which is nearly black and brown patterned.

I saw about 20 snakes from two clutches from black moms and the babies were variable with some being all black to some greenish with a slighter shade of black. It seems the greenish ones or lighter black ones have all grown to be black snakes. However, none of the babies I saw were as brightly colored as the one in your photo.

Hi Fran,

very interesting informations.
I´ve got my female (picture) from a german breeder.
All of his breeding juveniles had the same color like
mine. Furthermore my male Thrasops is a WC from
Uganda. Its a juvenile and looks like my femal has
looked, when she was a juvenile.
Also i got a report from an other german breeder
(Herpetofauna; Gerhard Pillich,1984).
In his report he describes the color of the juveniles as the
same as my snake has got.
Perhaps there are natural differences between some clutches.
On the other hand I´m nearly sure that I got Thrasops
jacksonii. But there excist a subspecies Thrasops
jacksoni schmidti.
Do you know where youre Thrasops come from?

Greetings and sorry for my awfully english
Claus

I do not recall which country in Africa the shipment of the mother came from, however when I speak to the importer again I will mention it and email you with my findings. I have three right now a male and female captive born and a female wild caught. The captive born ones seem to be a bit calmer and grow faster then the wild caught who spends most of her time rubbing her nose on the cage. Do your Jacksoni want to eat every day? It seems I feed them and they are ready the next day for more food. Of course I do not over feed them. I give them something once a week but they could handle more perhaps every other day.

Yes, my jacksons always want to eat.
But I have the same practice like you do.
Now I feed the female (CB, about 15 months old, 4 ft)
every week with one or two halfgrown mice (in germany
we call them springer =jumper). Nevertheless one or
two days later she is on the way to find the next prey.
The junger male (WC, I suppose it´s about a half year,
about 26 in) gets two times a week two or three baby
mice.
The male one is separated from the female, cause I have
bought it on a snake exhibition. Back at home I realized
that I bought a snake wich didn´t get the right treatment.
It was rather underfed and got an inflammation in the
mouth (Maulfäule, I don´t know the right english word).
So I had to do a forcibel tube feeding by a high concentrated
protein and to medicate the mouth with a kind of penicillin.
Now the male feels much better and eats by his own.

I have heard from the "nose rubbing problem" especially
by the wild caught. How did you arrange the terraria for the
thrasops? Do you use real plants? Do you have a hiding box?
I have arranged it in this way.
If possible I will send you a picture of my terraria.

Greets
Claus

A picture of my terrarium for Thrasops.

Really great ,.. do you think these Snake`s will be availeble at hamm at 12 december?

Cheers Robin Feitsma

In all probability. In the last three years there were several
offerings within germany. You als can find some offers here:
http://link.day.biz/?domain=reptilien.at
On this page you find on the left side an navigation link
"kleinanzeigen". Click on this link. Than write Thrasops
in the searchbox and in all probability you will find some
offerings.

Greetings
Claus

A thank you alot

That is quite a nice set up. It looks like you have glass on the top which is very beneficial as it keeps them from rubbing their noses on the screen. I kept my babies in extra large critter cages and they have a plastic lid which kept them from any rub marks. I recently moved them into 20 gallon high cages and they have not rubbed yet but I need to keep an eye on them and keep them fed or else they might. I keep it rather simple since I have so many snakes, mulch for substrate a branch with silk vines and a hide box and water bowl. They do not seem to use the hidebox until they go to sleep at night. I thought of saving space and keeping them together however with their feeding response I am afraid one might eat the other by mistake or perhaps because of hunger. The wild caught one rubs his nose no matter what I do and I try to keep him fed and settled but it only lasts a day or so.

All nose rubbing stopped on my two when I gave them half logs to hide in.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

@Frank:Yes, I have done the same experience.
The more hiding fittings they got, the better.
@ Fran: No, it´s no glass on the top. There is a special
fence, made of V2A-wires. This wires possess a wavy
form, so there exists no rough edges on the cross points,
where the snakes can´t hurt their noses.

Greetings
Claus

This is a picture of the same snake how she was
looking 2 months ago. Now she looks a little bit
more black.

danm they really look like boomslangs

Yes, of course. There is a near relationship.
Dispholidus, Thelotornis, Thrasops, Rhamnophis
and Xyelodontophis rank among the tribe Dispholidini.
( Broadley, D.G. & V. Wallach (2002) Review of the Dispholidini, with the description of a new genus and species from Tanzania. Bulletin of the Natural History Museum London (Zoology), 68: 57-74.)

I have a pair of jackson tree snakes............
they are one of my favortie's.
alex