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Ok..Things are heating up agian....Opinions?

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Well first, I would not have announced my plans to attack well in advance. I know this doesnt help the citizens there but now the insurgents could just set some booby traps, leave, and regroup elsewhere. We need to use whatever force is necassary to win and get the hell out. The longer we occupy Iraq, the worse things will get. Im not even sure its possble for this to end well. Hopefully it will, but I dont see it happening.

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
7 balls
2.1.10 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, 6 normal, 4 anery )
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
1 fish
1 mouse
3.3 cats

I'm with you on that. Who ever heard of announcing your plans to the enemy over a week before the battle? This war gets crazier and crazier....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

In my opinion the war on Iraq was a grave mistake because (for the benefit of the western countries) Saddam was the right man on the right place. He subdued the islamists and was initially not an enemy of the U.S.

Of course this opinion does include a good amount of cruelty and injustice, because many innocent people suffered from Saddam. But seeing it only from the point of a citizen of one of the western countries I think I am right. Maybe the first war on Iraq was already a mistake.

But it is like it is now. The question is, what do do?
Things has changed gravely and the choice of getting the hell out of Iraq or staying is like the choice between plague and cholera.

If the U.S. will leave the Mullahs will take over after a period of turmoil and mayham. A new mullah ruled country will strengthen the enemies of the western countries.

Staying in Iraq means that things will continue the way they do now and maybe even get worse.

In my opinion we are facing a new period of religious wars like at the time of the crusades, only waged with different means.

Just look at the Netherlands where an islam critical movie director was murdered several days ago and a mosque was bombed for vengence.

Things are getting worse everywhere. We are on the brink of the next religous wars.

I ask myself if the war on Iraq was the reason or if it just expedited things.

Killing innocents is what drove us out of Falluja in the first place. Killing lots of innocent people is counter productive as it turns the people against us. Letting people know we were going to attack gave the innocents an opportunity to flee, but it also gave the insurgents an opportunity to flee. Thats what insurgents do - they flee and regroup - they aren't in this battle to defend territory. So what was the US thinking - why the big assault on Faluja? What was it worth?

When you destroy innocent people's homes and businesses how do you suspect they will respond? How would you respond to an occupying force in your hometown turning your home into rubble? Destroying your business? There are simplistic voices on this message board who assert that the solution is more killing, brutal violent attacks that take out more innocents then insurgents. But lets say an occupying force killed your cousin - you might be angry enough to fight back. So how would you feel when they kill your sister, brother or father?

And if your religious, how would you feel if they target your pastor, rabbi, minister or priest? And if they obliterated your church? And if, in your heart, you knew the occupying force was doing all this not because it cared about you, but because it cared about your oil?

At what point would you get angry enough to fight?

They are entering a town chock full of religous mosques.
The impact this will have on the Muslim world will be felt for years.

Bin Laden will have an overabundance of new recruits.

And we are in the process of building three military bases there?

Yeah...sounds like an "Exit Strategy" to me.

Bunch of lies at the cost of lives

Sincerely

Fred