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Is there a name for the hybrid you get when you cross a corn with a black rat? Does anyone have any pictures of something like that? I'd love to see what the result is, though somehow it seems to me that they'd just look like gray rats.

Also, I was trying to figure out why they reclassified elaphe as pantherophis, and what species it effects. Is the corn now pantherophis guttata guttata, and the black rat pantherophis obsoleta obsoleta? And what do those words mean, anyway? I cannot find "elaphe" or "pantherophis" in either of my Latin dictionaries. Are they Latinized proper nouns, like Bairdi, or just some weird coinage?

Thanks

I can never remember the word Pantherophis.......

...I say Elaphe yet...LOL

.........as for where words come from.I know some are Latin,some Greek,some a combination of words even half greek half latin(Lampropeltus).......and some are just made up words...(Morelia)......they mean nothing......some are descritive of a color or pattern or combo of patterns........

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........12 days is not alot of time.......now 7 years.....that's better..................

As far as a name for a corn X black rat, Hybrid. As far as looks, who knows, I have never seen this hybrid before.

Elaphe is changing to Pantherophis and with this change the sp and ssp is changed to the feminine form. i.e. Elaphe obsoleta osboleta changes to Pantherophis obsoletus obsoletus; Elaphe guttata guttata changes to P. guttatus guttatus.

The names are derivitives of Latin. i.e Elaphe is derived from the Latin name Elaps (a kind of snake) and guttata is derived from gutta (dappled or spotted), and obsoleta from obsoletus (worn out). And the names go on.....
Hope this helps.
Brian

>>Is there a name for the hybrid you get when you cross a corn with a black rat? Does anyone have any pictures of something like that? I'd love to see what the result is, though somehow it seems to me that they'd just look like gray rats.
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>>Also, I was trying to figure out why they reclassified elaphe as pantherophis, and what species it effects. Is the corn now pantherophis guttata guttata, and the black rat pantherophis obsoleta obsoleta? And what do those words mean, anyway? I cannot find "elaphe" or "pantherophis" in either of my Latin dictionaries. Are they Latinized proper nouns, like Bairdi, or just some weird coinage?
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>>Thanks
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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

>>Also, I was trying to figure out why they reclassified elaphe as pantherophis, and what species it effects.

They just reclassified the American "Elaphe". The reason is because the Eurasian "Elaphe" and the American "Elaphe" are not closely related, according to dna testing. The Eurasians take precedence because the type species is Elaphe quatuorlineata, and the next available name for the Americans is Pantherophis. So, they keep Elaphe and we get the genus Pantherophis, which includes the species...obsoletus, vulpina, gloydi, guttatus, and bairdi.

Terry

Thanks everyone.

I'm new to the whole taxonomy thing, so this helped out.

75% by 25 %

check them out...the look like a darker corn

keith
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I'm not sure I want popular opinion on my side -- I've noticed those with the most opinions often have the fewest facts.

He's the albinonile.com guy, right? I couldn't find them on his site.

It also includes the species emoryii, which was elevated to sepcies level and no longer recognized as a sub-species of guttatus.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

>>It also includes the species emoryii, which was elevated to sepcies level and no longer recognized as a sub-species of guttatus.
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>>Darin Chappell

Hi, Darin. Could you give me some more specifics, as I've not heard anything on that, yet? Did it happen recently? Do you know who published, what? Thanks much...Terry.

It is not a classification with which I am in particular agreeance, mind you, but I believe it is one that has been recognized by many in academia for sometime. In the attached link to the appropriate CNAH web page, you can find the specific documentations.
Link

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

>>It is not a classification with which I am in particular agreeance, mind you, but I believe it is one that has been recognized by many in academia for sometime. In the attached link to the appropriate CNAH web page, you can find the specific documentations.
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>>Darin Chappell
>>Hillbilly Herps
>>PO Box 254
>>Rogersville, MO 65742

Thank you.
Note that the following is just my opinion of what is happening in the academic world. CNAH has a different way of doing things. I don't think they believe they have to publish to get something changed. According to the literature, it is appropriate to put all the snakes in the guttata group as subspecies of Pantherophis (Elaphe) guttatus, i.e. P. g. guttatus, P. g. slowinskii, P. g. emoryi, and P. g. meahllmorum. I too think many use or would like to use emoryi as a separate species, but, imho, I don't think we should do that until it has been appropriately changed with the appropriate data. Until that time I feel I have to use the subspecies concept.

Excuse me if I sound a little excited about the idea of emoryi becoming full species. I've been expecting that change for a very long time and will probably jump to the other camp when it does. Thanks for answering my post, so I didn't have to be so patient. Some of CNAH's changes will probably catch on, but not this one, I think. This is going to be controversial for a long time, imho.

Later....TC.
Afton Farm, Afton MI.

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