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all my pacmans starved to death - 1 left ... need help fast

mrpacman Nov 10, 2004 09:22 AM

This never happened before. My pacmans have starved to their death. I have one left. before they used to love eating crickets, goldfish and nightcrawlers. now, the last one I have isn't eating anything at all. It's already getting skinny and I have a feeling there is only a few days left for it to live if it doesn't eat now. I even tried putting in a small live mouse in case it changed its diet but to no surprise it didnt eat it. Just today I put a dozen crickets and none were eaten. Please help me save my last good-colored flourescent green pacman. Thanks.

Replies (10)

CokeOfMan Nov 10, 2004 10:55 AM

1.Did you see any causes for the other
2.Pacmans deaths? Redleg?
3.What is the tank temperature and substrate?
4.Did you use dechlorinated water? For how long did he/she not eat? 5.One more, you didn't keep them in the same tank right? Since you said the other Pacmans starved, that they could have infected each other.
There can be many causes, but these questions may help other people (or me) to answer your quesions.
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CokeOfMan

mrpacman Nov 10, 2004 11:19 AM

1. they looked like the result of starvation with no signs of disease.
2. no signs of redleg
3. temperature is 78 degrees room temp.
4. i used the tap water conditioner.
5. they wouldn't eat for 3 weeks. they were kept in different containers, but after they were sick, 2 were combined however they did not eat each other.
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1.Did you see any causes for the other
2.Pacmans deaths? Redleg?
3.What is the tank temperature and substrate?
4.Did you use dechlorinated water? For how long did he/she not eat? 5.One more, you didn't keep them in the same tank right? Since you said the other Pacmans starved, that they could have infected each other.

ginevive Nov 10, 2004 11:33 AM

Were they froglets? I had several horned froglets awhile ago, and all three of them died. I think they had the beginnings of a calcium deficiency when I got them, cue to the fact that they were not fed enough calcium-dusted crickets as newly morphed froglets. In the wild, they actually cannibalize their siblings; the strongest survive, while the smaller ones become dinner. I wouldn't imagine a breeder, who wants to sell as many froglets as possible, would allow cannibalization, so maybe they were just fed straight crickets which are not good sources of calcium.
I am not sure what to advise you to do now. Once the symptoms of calcium deficiency are present, there's no way to repair the frog.
I'd buy an already established horned frog that is already feeding well, in the future. Baby frogs of any species are so tiny and hard to keep alive in many cases.
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EdK Nov 11, 2004 06:07 PM

Actually as long as the bones which operate the tongue and the jaws have not deformed calcium gluconate and D3 supplementation therapy (available at the vet) can pull a "MBD" frog through.

Ed

AnnoyingGuy12 Nov 10, 2004 09:53 PM

WoW! So sad to hear ur frogs die. Hope ur last one lives. I must say i am truly lucky my baby pacman grew so fast to an adult because they seem to fight illnesses fast and prevent them better. Hope ur little guy lives. O and sometimes if u raise their temperatures in the tank they have better immunization systems or w/e to fight off gerns u might wanna try. B reasonable too dont raise it like 20 degrees. mroe like 5-7 degrees.
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jwthought Nov 10, 2004 10:48 PM

To add to what has been said, I would change his setup to a very simple, sterile enviourmment. Paper towel substrate and a shallow water dish with clean spring water. See if you can find a herp vet to see what he/she thinks. I've had to force feed a white's tree frog a special type of mashed up cat food from a seringe when he stopped eating. If there where no signs of red led, parasites could be a possiblity. I hope that you can figure this out. Good Luck.

xcrashx21 Nov 11, 2004 08:13 AM

I had a similar problem like this once. My vet had me force feed some science diet dog food mixed with a little warm water and vitamin. He fattened back up but unfortunately whatever was wrong with him came back. But that mixture did keep him healthy for about 1 1/2months. Hope your little guy gets better.

CokeOfMan Nov 11, 2004 10:15 AM

Is there no way to cure it when it is present? I've heard of calcium shots at the vet but maybe these don't work?
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CokeOfMan

EdK Nov 11, 2004 06:10 PM

Here is an article on MBD that may help those that have not read it http://www.tracyhicks.com/FFAQ.htm
As long as the mouth bones and the bones that work the tongue have not become too deformed, calcium and D3 therapy can pull the frog through assuming it is a calcium deficency and not another underlying cause.
I find it suspicious that the frogs starved to death in a three week period as it should have taken longer than this for the frogs to die of ination.
I strongly recommend seeking a vet to determine cause of death.

Ed

EdK Nov 11, 2004 06:11 PM

In the above go to the link and scroll down the left side to the MBD article.

Ed

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