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Elaphe Dione high orange and other Elaphe Dione PICS..(very interesting)

wim Nov 13, 2004 05:21 AM

Hello i am Gidi,

I am the son of Wim and we both like to work with Elaphe Dione. Here are some pics. of our Elaphe Dione high oragne. It is special breed (tnx IA ).

This is our Elaphe Dione orange male of 2002:

This is our Elaphe Dione Nigrita/Melanistic male from 2004:

This is our Elaphe Dione striped from 2001 male:

This is our Elaphe Dione Tenebrosa from 2002 male:

I hope you enjoy the pics.

Best regards Gidi van de Belt Netherlands Amterdam
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Replies (11)

Terry Cox Nov 13, 2004 06:30 AM

Hello, Gidi.

Those are some very nice colors in your dione. I'm glad there are some people in Europe and Russia that are working with this species. It is extremely variable and make great pets. Someday I hope it will be more popular in the U. S.

I only keep the South Korean dione now. I haven't bred them since 2001, 2002, and there are a couple others who are raising them too. These aren't very good pictures, but they show some characteristics, like body shape, head shape, scales, etc. The first two are my 2001 male and female, ready to breed next spring...

Even with just one race, South Koreans, there can be much variety. Mine are from one locale, Seoul, yet some are reddish-brown and some are yellowish in background...

I like the spearpoint on the head. They are good representatives of the genus, Elaphe. No matter what coloration they are they are fun to work with and handle also. The South Koreans are a little more robust than Western races, I think. The original female reached 46 inches. Here's a nice male offspring from the 2002 clutch...

Another race I worked with for awhile was from Eastern China. They were quite different from the South Koreans, but colorful. Yours look like they could have some Chinese influence?

I love the striped dione. That snake is very pretty..wish I had one. Also, the orange snakes have lots of cool orange color. It would be great to produce a line with high orange in the U. S. too. I hope you and you father can come to the United States someday. Good luck with all your projects and hope you post more pics soon.

Terry

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Ratsnake Haven: Calico and albino Chinese stripe-tailed ratsnakes, Mandarin ratsnakes, Chinese twin-spotted ratsnakes, South Korean Dione's ratsnake, Great Plains ratsnakes and corns

wim Nov 13, 2004 08:08 AM

Hello Terry,

Your South Koreans are very nice. We have only two males from korea. I hope we can trade striped and koreans. This species is very interesting to work with. We also have (1.2)2002 and (3.1) 2004 China. This specie is more "racer" than the other Elaphe Dione. And have a lot of yellow.

It is very interesting to remark that our Elaphe Dione Cherskyi from 2001 have had two cluches in this year one of 7 eggs (all hatched) and now one in the incubator a cluch of 5 eggs (all look perfect). I never heard from someone that a Dione have had two cluches in one year only read in the book from KDS. Do you have experiance with that?

I hope to hear from you.

Best regards Gidi van de Belt.

Terry Cox Nov 13, 2004 10:57 AM

Hi, again, Gidi. Welcome to Kingsnake.com/Ratsnake Forum.

I too hope we can trade dione someday. I agree that the cen. Chinese dione are more racer-like, and they are colorful, and make a nice pet species.

I have never heard of dione having two clutches before, but in 2002 our 46 inch S. K. female had a clutch of 16 eggs, 15 of which hatched. This is the original pair from Seoul and a pic of the clutch (on the right)...


I know that keeping the snakes together will result in more matings, and a fertile female can have a clutch the following year, but I didn't know a female could develop eggs a second time in the fall of the same year. But I keep my snakes separated, so that there won't be a second clutch possibility. I put them together shortly before brumation if I want the female to produce a clutch the following year.

Please let me know if you are going to have any dione in the United States. Thanks...Terry.

PS: follow the link to see all my ratsnake pics

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wim Nov 14, 2004 05:22 AM

Again Terry,

We keep the most of the Diones the whole year together so we have more chance to get two cluches in one year i think. I read almost all the articles one kingsnake so i am not new . 16 eggs is very very many. As most we have had a cluch of 7 eggs all hatched. But actually we breed Diones since 2002 so we have not that many experiance. I hope we (my dad and I) can come to US, maybe in the future we can trade Diones .

Best regards Gidi.

p.s. I have seen all your nice pics on ratsnakeheaven a lot of times

Terry Cox Nov 14, 2004 07:04 AM

>>Again Terry,
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>>We keep the most of the Diones the whole year together so we have more chance to get two cluches in one year i think. I read almost all the articles one kingsnake so i am not new . 16 eggs is very very many. As most we have had a cluch of 7 eggs all hatched. But actually we breed Diones since 2002 so we have not that many experiance. I hope we (my dad and I) can come to US, maybe in the future we can trade Diones .
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>>Best regards Gidi.
>>
>>p.s. I have seen all your nice pics on ratsnakeheaven a lot of times

Thanks, Gidi. I have seen your site many times too and looked at all your photos of diones. You and your father are doing nice work. I know you have seen my photos before, but when I post something on the forum I also post it for the others to look at too. I'm very interested in the species, E. dione, but I can't keep too many because of the lack of space and time. I hope you have much success with them. I see the other species you have too, and I wish I could share that experience also. But again, best of luck with them. I will be happy to see you post results here. If you come to the U.S., please let me know or post it here on the forum, so I can have a chance to meet you and your father. Then we can share some snakes

Terry

Here's another pic of one of our 2002 males...

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wim Nov 14, 2004 07:32 AM

I like to meet you to.

The site is not up to date. But in the next holiday i will spend more time to the site.

I keep you all posted how we are doing with the nice species Elaphe Dione. I hope more people become interested in the nice and active species. Now are only a few people in the whole world and that must chance.

Hope to see you soon .

Regards Gidi

nazza Nov 13, 2004 07:09 AM

Hi Gidi,
the orange are wonderful, I hope I could take some baby from you soon. The pics you have on your website

are of my male, my pair was born from dr. Fesser
regards
nazzza

wim Nov 13, 2004 08:12 AM

Hello Nazza,

Do you know of that Elaphe Dione from you on our website is an China? If you like we can put your name on it, ofcourse that is not any problem. Is the nice website (italian) of yours? very nice pics (i can't read anything ).

Best regards Gidi van de Belt

nazza Nov 13, 2004 10:20 AM

Hi Gidi,
I put REPTItaLIAon the web because there wasn't nothing about italian reptiles, now there is www.herp.it that is better.
If you want you can put my name (Nazzareno Miele) on the pics of dione
regards
nazza

nazza Nov 13, 2004 07:13 PM

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