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to Bairds ratsnakes, lol. I bet if i looked down the first page, i'd find 2 out of every 3 posts was either about a bairds or had something to mention about one, lol.
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-Chris

The reason mainstream thought is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin

A fool doesn't learn. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Which one are you?

My Website
Rat/Corn snake care sheet I wrote

Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Black Rat (Frankie)
1.1 Texas Bairds (Jose and Rosa)
0.1 Blue Beauty (Brunhilde)

>>to Bairds ratsnakes, lol. I bet if i looked down the first page, i'd find 2 out of every 3 posts was either about a bairds or had something to mention about one, lol.
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>>-Chris

Yeah, we already have a separate forum for corn snakes (I'd just as soon post here). Maybe we could have a separate forum for Asian ratsnakes too! But then I'd have too many forums to jump back and forth to, and besides, I kinda like looking at a good Baird's once in awhile...LOL.

Hmmmmm...my favorite kind of ratsnake is the Chinese twin-spot, Elaphe bimaculata. Wish we had a forum just for my snakes...not! Just kidding

TC

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Ratsnake Haven: Calico and albino Chinese stripe-tailed ratsnakes, Mandarin ratsnakes, Chinese twin-spotted ratsnakes, South Korean Dione's ratsnake, Great Plains ratsnakes and corns

Elaphe bimaculata, female.

-Timo Paasikunnas/Finland

Nice looking bimac.

This is my best female, a very light brown, almost hypo, we call the blonde phase. Unfortunately, I don't have a blonde male, and the gene is not recessive, so I'm just aiming for a light brown phase offspring...

I bred her with a light brown male and got five nice babies this summer. They get more colorful as they get older. They mostly looked like this at first...

Sorry I have posted these pics before. I just thought a few new people might enjoy them. Here's an adult female that was produced from the blonde female and a normal brown phase male...

I don't know why these snakes aren't more popular. I just love these little guys. If anyone has any interesting color phases of bimaculata, please let me know. It'd be cool to get some trades going.

Terry

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Ratsnake Haven: Calico and albino Chinese stripe-tailed ratsnakes, Mandarin ratsnakes, Chinese twin-spotted ratsnakes, South Korean Dione's ratsnake, Great Plains ratsnakes and corns

I actually think that it would be a good idea to have 2 separate forums. One for North American Ratsnakes and one for Other Ratsnakes.

I have to admit it, I'm not partial to the Bairds ratsnakes, so I'm be more than happy to see them in another forum. I don't mean to offend those that have Bairds because it seems like a lot of you do, but I only usually visit this forum to see if there are any threads about Asian Elaphe and I have to wade through all the Bairds and other NA Ratsnake posts.
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colubridlady@gmail.com

3.3 Adult cornsnakes, various morphs
1.1 2004 Hypo cornsnakes
0.1 2004 Normal Het Hypo cornsnake
0.0.2 2004 Caramel cornsnakes
0.0.1 2004 Amber cornsnake

Equal time folks (lol)

I have a Ladder snake ( Formerly "Elaphe" scalerus) and nobody ever talks about those.

Then there is my Persian.....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I agree,
I would like to see the Asians and North American species separated.
Although the Asians are beautiful I don't keep any and do not really have plans on branching in that direction.
So, for me it would be easier to just have the North American rats.
But, I am afraid the traffic would be slow if they were separated.
There are times when days go by with very little traffic.
Oh well, Be prepaired for more bairdi pics as I get them....LOL
sorry
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

I love your photos, keep 'em coming. It's just that I do sometimes feel as if this forum has become heavily laden with Bairdi lately.

Though I don't think I really can complain much right now, as I only currently have corns.
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colubridlady@gmail.com

3.3 Adult cornsnakes, various morphs
1.1 2004 Hypo cornsnakes
0.1 2004 Normal Het Hypo cornsnake
0.0.2 2004 Caramel cornsnakes
0.0.1 2004 Amber cornsnake

is make sure when I post pictures that I identify in the subject line what I'm posting. Bairdi, Black Rat, etc. which I'm sure most folks do. That way it's easier to skip past certain species that one may not have an interest. Once in a while I'll post off topic pics that are not ratsnakes and I always make sure I post in the subject line "OFF TOPIC, NOT A RATSNAKE" or Off Topic, check out this spider I found....
The thought of seperate forums sounds good, but I agree with Jimmy in that it might make for some pretty slow forums. I am a big fan of North American Ratsnakes, but I do love to see people post pics of their asians and other type of ratsnakes.

Steve

I have to say the idea of another forum doesn't interest me, hinted at it before. Some of us have both Asian and American ratsnakes. I don't want to have to skip back and forth. I think we should post our corn snake stuff on the Ratsnake Forum too, but we need the Corn Snake Forum because there's so much traffic over there, and a lot of people only have corns. If enough people like that had just Baird's, then there probably would be a Baird's Ratsnake Forum. I like all ratsnakes and want to see them and talk about them, whether I have them or not. You never know when you'll get the urge to branch out.

I agree that we should make an effort to mention what the post is about in the subject line. Subjects like, "Look at this!" are pretty annoying, and sometimes I miss a good post because I refuse to open those. Also, the Ratsnake Forum is a good place to discuss ratsnakes in general and many specific topics, like natural history, distribution, etc. Probably a lot of folks don't like my long posts when I get really focused on something, but I usually try to hint that it's a long post, or if it has lots of photos which take time to download. I tend to be long winded and wordy and I hope that doesn't annoy too many people, but I guess we can skip posts like that if we want or posters that don't interest us, etc.

I agree with the person that said things are usually kinda slow on the Ratsnake Forum. I say, "Feel free to post anything you want, and keep it coming. I usually look at almost everything."

Guess I got wordy again...darn!! LOL

TC
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Ratsnake Haven: Calico and albino Chinese stripe-tailed ratsnakes, Mandarin ratsnakes, Chinese twin-spotted ratsnakes, South Korean Dione's ratsnake, Great Plains ratsnakes and corns

lol. I wasn't ever implying to seriously start a new forum, lol. I have both an asian and a few north americans, and I think it's fine as is, honestly.
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-Chris

The reason mainstream thought is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin

A fool doesn't learn. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Which one are you?

My Website
Rat/Corn snake care sheet I wrote

Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Black Rat (Frankie)
1.1 Texas Bairds (Jose and Rosa)
0.1 Blue Beauty (Brunhilde)

>>It did start a good discussion.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Yaa, I know that. I wasn't replying to you in my 2nd post, but rather anyone who was starting to think it was a good idea. I just wanted it as a reminder of what this forum does, and like Jimmy said, it started a good discussion. Better than sitting around with nothing to do...heheh. TC.

to work with TC. LOL. I don't think the forum should be split either. Just because a rat snake has become popular doesn't mean enough people own them to support a separate forum as is the case with corns snakes. I would think more people have black rat snakes than bairds. I think the rat snake forum has finally started getting the activity it has deserved for awhile now in my opinion. I have several snakes in my collection as a result of visiting this very forum. I know the thread was started out as a sarcasm, but the subject warrants a good discussion. I haven't even taken the time to answer the questions on Mexican bairds you asked me in a previous post. It might be buried now if I did, but you still deserve the answers. Mexican bairds fit in well with what you like in your collections TC. They are smaller than Texas bairds in general. They are 4 feet or a litlle longer as a rule. They can approach 5 feet occasionally. One of the breeding pair I have on loan from Steve and Kelli Hammack are 5 footers. I have 3 breeding pairs of Mexican Bairds all on loan from the Hammacks. I have a pair of their offspring I got from the Hammacks in 2002 that I may try to breed this coming season. I wait at least 3 years to breed any of my females. I have 4 pairs of Texas barids breeders. Several on loan again from the Hammacks and a couple of my own. I now have added 2 more breeding pairs of Texas Bairds on loan from our friend Dave Powell. I really love bairds so it really hasn't been bad for me having all these breeders. I talked to Dave about using one of his males to breed to one of my females to cross a couple of my bloodlines. Amazingly, the babies have gone real good this past season. I can't knock their popularity. The Texans get larger than the Mexicans. They are more a 5 foot snake. Still small for collections that want to be smaller length type collections. I wish there was more focus going on with the snakes in Northern Mexico as quite a few of our southern locale snakes also exist in Northern Mexico and there must be some interesting data to support some of our thoughts on taxonomy.

Terry Parks

I wish there was more focus going on with the snakes in Northern Mexico as quite a few of our southern locale snakes also exist in Northern Mexico and there must be some interesting data to support some of our thoughts on taxonomy.
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>>Terry Parks

Well, you just hit on one of my quirks, Terry.

I'm more interested in Mexican species than U. S. species, partly because of how colubrids evolved in N. A., and partly because they are so interesting and little known. Take for instance, Pituophis l. lineaticollis, that became available this year for the first time to the public. That snake begs to be studied, and is sooo ratsnake-like. I also like the Western guttata, which reaches down into Mexico. How many specimens from Mex. are there in collections? Anyone ever heard of any? While in AZ you can count on me studying Senticolis triaspis every chance I get, and I'm into looking at Sonoran gophers in the field. Speaking of Pits, those northern Mexican forms are pretty darn cool too. Now let's see, where were we? Oh, yeah, Pantherophis bairdi. Guess, I'll have to get into the Mexican morph one of these days. Keep me posted friend, as you've got some of the nicest around

TC

I know you're cutting back on some of your collection in preparation for residing in AZ. I'll try to have a few Mexican bairds for you when you move to AZ. Maybe a couple subadults and a couple hatchlings. That way you can start breeding in a year or so and also see how they change from hatchlings. It seems it would be best to get them to you after the move.

Terry Parks

Wow! That sounds great. You're right about me cutting back, but you don't know how hard it is to wait. I'm sitting here listening to my "California Groove" tape, and drooling over some of these new possibilities, including the Mexican Baird's. Four years and counting...down! Haha.

I've really cut back. You can see what I have left, except for a few kings, down below. I have a lot more time and space now and I'm not sure dreamin' of Sonora will be enough. Keep posting those pics anyway

TC
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Ratsnake Haven: Calico and albino Chinese stripe-tailed ratsnakes, Mandarin ratsnakes, Chinese twin-spotted ratsnakes, South Korean Dione's ratsnake, Great Plains ratsnakes and corns