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Hey, LinsZoo-

girlzilla Jun 30, 2003 05:16 PM

Aaargh! I am so disorganized! Sorry I haven't gotten back to your post. I am going home soon to look for my vet bills, and will post again about that.

Bud couldn't walk when I got him because he had been stepped on when his owner got into a fight. His owner previous to HER (yes, I'm owner #3) said Bud had also broken an arm due to falling off a table or something. Obviously, that wouldn't have hurt a healthy iguana, but it shows that at the age of a few months to one year, he already had severe MBD.

Also, right after he pooped he showed marked improvement in moving around, even dragging himself with his arms and making weak scrabbling motions with his back legs, even though he couldn't really walk with them.

I promise I will find those receipts; I am appalled at the estimate from your vet and the mention of an overnight stay! How is it going? Are you looking for vet #3?

-Erin

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LinsZoo Jul 02, 2003 08:24 PM

Hi Erin, to be honest I am becoming quite depressed. This little fella had no business entering my life and making me fall for him. We went to that last goof a week ago Monday. He gave us a laxative. By Friday we still had no poop. I figured at this point could I really do any more harm? I gave him and extra dose. And by Saturday afternoon the poop gods smiled down on Marley. What a mess!! I cleaned all that up, gave him a bath and took him out for some sun. I took the phone with me and passed the word on Marleys great poop. But then that was it. Nothing since. On Monday I went back to day one with the syringe feeding and let him graze (supervised) in the yard. But still no poop. I am really loosing hope here. But the thing is he seems alert, loving, happy, interested in his surroundings. What am I to think? Two vets have said there was really no hope. Well one vet and a guy who got a diploma from 'Uncle Joe-Bob's School of Animal Stuff'. How does an iguana who is not going to be able to survive act? Am I just prolonging the inevidable? Is there any hope? Sorry...
Thanks for asking~
Lin & Marley

girlzilla Jul 03, 2003 03:02 PM

I know that's something my vet always notes; Bud's mood when he's there.

I remember the unsureness I felt when I first found him; should I feed him at all, if that would just add to his discomfort? Or was he hungry? He just couldn't tell me, and it was so frustrating.

Okay, I found it. Here are the charges from Bud's first vet visit at the Greater Annapolis Veterinary Hospital. It's an emergency clinic, so by no means are they iguana experts- they just did the best they could.

Exotic Animal Vet Fee- 46.00
X-Ray: Two Views- 80.19
***ENEMA- SOAPY #1***- 31.11
Calcium Gluconate Injection- 19.50
Chronulac Syrup (Stool Softener)- 5.65

I include the other stuff because if you're dealing with a situation like mine, (constipation, paralysis, mysterious history, possible MBD) he might need the same treatments, and you might be interested in what others charge.

Why did these vets say there is "no hope"? My feeling is that as long as the iguana is interested in his surroundings, shows definate signs of promise (pooping a few times by himself, walking around and tongue-flicking), there is worth in trying to save him. Apathetic and listless iguanas are likely feeling pain, from my small experience and reading what others write.

This is from Anapsid.org:

"If the blockage is due to heavy parasite infestation, a clump of ingested human or pet hair, or larger pieces or clumps of substrate (or other foreign objects), then the bathing or increased heat will have little to no effect and the iguana must be seen by a vet for further diagnostic work-up and treatment.

Severe metabolic bone disease and paralysis may also lead to constipation. Again, a vet visit and work-up will be required to determine the cause and initiate treatment."

Did your vet give you a specific reason there was "little hope"?
If it was a clump of hair or some other obstruction, why was he able to poop once before? Maybe it's a result of the MBD, and focusing on that underlying cause will help? I don't know.

I'm sure you've heard this so many times, but- find another vet.
Others have written this before, so I'm just repeating it- a vet who knows a lot about reptiles isn't necessarily better than a vet you trust. I did have some luck with a general vet, before I found the one I go to now.

I know your situation is more dire, but about the pooping, don't give up hope. I went on vacation for five days a few weeks ago and left Bud in the hands of a capable petsitter. He ate and behaved well while I was gone... But it has taken me three weeks to get him to poop normally again. He didn't poop at all for four days when I got back, although he was eating (a little). After that it was sporatic at best.

I couldn't find any pictures of iguana poop, and my computer won't open the article called "Feces and Urates" on anapsid.org for some reason. It's under Information Clusters- Green Iguanas- Health- Feces and Urates. It has a really good description. I guess the best way to describe healthy feces is: not smelly (smells kind of like wet soil and vegetables), dark brown, like the color of topsoil, tapered cylandrical shape, and they come out after the urates, which look a lot like egg white, but a little bit yellow.

I don't know what else to say but that I know the feeling of having been struck over the head with love for an ig that just fell into my life. At times I have thought that I have put so much work into him, that he'd BETTER not have the nerve to die. Keep working the sun magic, maybe find vet #3, and let us know is all I can say.

-Erin

LinsZoo Jul 04, 2003 01:35 AM

Thanks Erin~ Vet #3 will have to wait a few days. There is the money issue and who do I go to next? I'm also dealing with a traumatized Shih Tzu right now (We were out walking along with our Silky and a pit bull came out of nowhere! Luckily the dog was not a fighter but still agressive. Now my poor Daisy is afraid to leave the house! And we are dealing with a treatment for bladder stones.... Oh. I digress....)
I can't give up yet. Those eyes are so sparkling. I swear Marley is half dog... Or cat; he won't come when called and refuses to obey!!
Well, I'm open for any and all home remedies. Keeping him on a liquid and grazing diet. Increasing excersise and bath time.
Do your iggys like sitting under the sprinkler? LOL~ Silly boy!! He sits up tall. Throws his head up and back and closes his eyes. I think he is dreaming of a rainforest far away.
Lin & Marley
OH~ And thanks for the prices. Next step I guess will be an enama & parasite check.

mommyof2greenigs Jul 04, 2003 03:14 PM

Hun have you tried giving him tummy rubs while he is in the water? It helps stimulate the urge and gets things working. Also try boosting his water intake. Just mix a little more water into what you are already giving him. maybe some figs mixed in will help as well. good luck.

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Heather, Vern, Andy, Router, April And OODLES of fish

LinsZoo Jul 04, 2003 05:53 PM

>>Hun have you tried giving him tummy rubs while he is in the water? It helps stimulate the urge and gets things working. Also try boosting his water intake. Just mix a little more water into what you are already giving him. maybe some figs mixed in will help as well. good luck.
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>>Heather, Vern, Andy, Router, April And OODLES of fish

I have done all of the above except figs. Did I read something about figs? I don't have them on my list.

sarahadele Jul 04, 2003 07:29 PM

have you boosted the vitamin C intake? i might have mentioned it already, if i did, sorry
Sarah

mommyof2greenigs Jul 04, 2003 10:21 PM

Figs are full of calcium. I feed them to mine every now and again when I can find them. If you have to use dried ones make sure they are pure figs and have no sugars and things in them. Boil or soak them in water (to replace moisture) and chop them and feed them.) Where are you located?

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Heather, Vern, Andy, Router, April And OODLES of fish

LinsZoo Jul 05, 2003 09:17 AM

>>Figs are full of calcium. I feed them to mine every now and again when I can find them. If you have to use dried ones make sure they are pure figs and have no sugars and things in them. Boil or soak them in water (to replace moisture) and chop them and feed them.) Where are you located?
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>>Heather, Vern, Andy, Router, April And OODLES of fish

I am in extreme NorthEast Illinois.I don't recall ever seeing them, but then again I wasn't looking for them.
But now I will! What about prunes to keep them regular? Yeah or nay?
Thank you!
Lin & Marley

LinsZoo Jul 05, 2003 09:19 AM

>>have you boosted the vitamin C intake? i might have mentioned it already, if i did, sorry
>>Sarah

No one has suggested that yet. The last vet did prescribe Neoglucon. Is there any C in there or just Calcium?
Thank you Sarah~
Lin & Marley

mommyof2greenigs Jul 05, 2003 09:49 AM

I am not sure about prunes. I have never used them.
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Heather, Vern, Andy, Router, April And OODLES of fish

stephiesoo Jul 03, 2003 05:18 PM

Just a little add in. I noticed you said you were letting him "graze" in the yard. Does the are include regular grass? many people include grass clippings in their igs diet with no problem but I have read in some that it does cause constipation. I definitely realize this is not what caused his constipation but it may be hindering it getting better a bit. You seem to really love him and want the best for him I wish you the best of luck!!

Stephanie

LinsZoo Jul 04, 2003 01:39 AM

Thanks Stephanie! Good thinking there. He's pretty good about not eating grass but I'm sure he is getting some. I'll have to move him over to the dandelion field. LOL~ An area of the yard that is almost all dandelions. Was a veggie garden at one time and we never planted grass. Thank you so much for your input!! I do appreciate every tip I get
Lin and Marley

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