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I picked this trio of Kings up from a pet shop in South Florida. They came in to the shop on a trade and where not ID by the seller. I got them about a week after they arrived and have had them for about 8 months with no other info comeing from the pet shop.(I am not name the shop on purpose)
Now I would like to give you guys and gals a chance to ID what I can not. I believe they are Hybrids of some sort but you be the judge.
The first pic is of one of the females
Thanks Jason

This is a shot of another female

This is one of the male. He is a pain. Every time I pick him up he tries to eat me.

Another pic of the male

Last pic of the male before I spent about five minutes trying to get him off.

Good looking floridana, I bet they have strong feeding responses too!

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That snake looks like a apalachicola X floridana. F1 floridana X easterns have a higher band count.

I should mention that some morphs of floridana have weird patterns and low band counts. But that may be due to the f2 and f3 breedings. So the band count is not always the determining factor with floridana. But in all liklyhood the snake you have is a f1 cross of a florida to a Apalachicola king.

>>I picked this trio of Kings up from a pet shop in South Florida. They came in to the shop on a trade and where not ID by the seller. I got them about a week after they arrived and have had them for about 8 months with no other info comeing from the pet shop.(I am not name the shop on purpose)
>>Now I would like to give you guys and gals a chance to ID what I can not. I believe they are Hybrids of some sort but you be the judge.
>>The first pic is of one of the females
>>Thanks Jason
>>

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Chris Harrison

Very similar to Suwannee kings. Could be of NE FL Locale, or an articially produced intergrade. Nice looking snakes, I think.

That is exactly what they are though "intergrade" is more correct.

They are definitly not Brooks and here is why.

If you look at your snakes right off you can see that there is a wide space between bands. That translates into a low band count. True Brooks Kings are more than just a pale Florida king. The classic "patternless" Brooks was the result of a very high (78-100 ) band count. Of course today with the new definition of Brooks as just being a "color phase" some could argue to the contrary, that only color matters, but I will stick with what I saw collected from the wild some thirty years ago.

There have been plenty of snakes taken from pale populations of Florida (intergrade)Kings (most notably) from near lake Okeechobee that have been sold and consequently bred under the mistaken idea that they were Brooks.

This kind of confusion is one of the problems some of us forsaw with the increasing scarcity of wild populations vs advancement of breeding and "hybridizing" for color and pattern.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I like your answer because it is what I was thinking. Also there is a definate green color in the animals and the fact that they are intergrades/hybrids is more evident in person. I am still not sure what they are and I am going to get some natural sun pics when the rain stops long enough (stupid Fl).

Thanks To All

Like I said in my email I would bet they are Brooksi X Goini . To still have that amount of ontogenetic change it would have to be something similar like a Goini. Ive seen Goini Brooksi crosses and pattern wise they look very much like that.

Keith
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extreme N.e. Florida (Duval county) to Extreme Se. Ga. (Camden county). (I used to live there for six years). They are Florida x Eastern intergrades - At least in that area they are. . .
But. . . since you got yours from S. Florida. . . who knows who bred them that way or if they ARE wild caught animals or babies of some.

My 1.9 cents. . .

Zee

The pattern on your female looks alot like the pattern on my Goini female. Looks like a light phase Brooksi-Goini cross. eastern kings have smaller chains.