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maybe you guys can confirm it. Took these today.

Ryan

Thats all folks

opps, now i realize the problems

Did someone tell you that by looking at it, or did that come straight from the breeder's mouth? I can't see one good reason to call that a Coastal x Jungle, unless the person who produced the animal told you that.

The following is not directed at you or meant as a flame, but more of me venting to everyone.

This calling everything a cross stuff is getting out of hand.

1. I seriously doubt that more than 10% of the "Coastals" or "Queenslands" in the US are pure M.s. macdowelli.

2. There are plenty of Coastals out there with all kinds of yellows and blacks in them.

3. To really throw a curveball to all these "I can tell by looking at it" folks, there are 100% pure Jungle Carpets that are brown and tan.

>>maybe you guys can confirm it. Took these today.
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I agree, there are plenty jungles that look pretty "[bleep]ty" compared to some of the brighter yellow and black individuals, in fact 99% of wild caught jungles look really plain, like the atherton forms and kuranda forms, selective breeding has made these black and yellow stunners, there are hardly any bright yellow and black jungles in the wild.

cheers
mark

a very average jungle, but still a jungle

not a typical black and gold/yellow

THAT is a truly beautiful snake!
G

Well i know its a cross with a diamond, just not sure what kind of carpet python. I was told by the person i got it from it was a straight jungle, till after i bought it, then he started to say it might have some diamond python in it. Im not really to concerned with what kind of carpet it is, i just posted a pic a little while ago and everyone kept saying costal carpet. Anyway here is that pic.

Thanks again
Ryan

o yeah i know its a cross because it has diamonds along the back bottom part of its tail. Atleast i think that means its a cross....

'Fraid not. ANY pure carpet is capable of have diamond-shaped markings.

G

so how do you tell the diffrence

Basically, you post a pic' here, get abused for misrepresenting your animals, start a massive debate and then believe the opinions of whoever sounds the least idiotic.
Alternatively, you can try to find out the history from the breeder or content yourself with saying, "I have a nice pair of Carpets of unkown origin".
Welome to our world.

G

looks like im well on the way to the frist method you mentioned, but i think im going to stick with "carpet of unknown origin" or even"its a carpet python, so leave it at that". Breeder has less of a clue then i do, since this was a saved animal. Thanks tho G
Ryan

>>so how do you tell the diffrence

Well, that is a good question. Here in the US only a small quanity of the animals have known origions. Coastals and Jungles have been crossed and inter-bred for decades. As such there are only a few diffrence between these subspecies, and often times you cannot tell at all.

The characteristics of Jungles are that they usually max at a lenth of 6-7 ft. Often times it will have a more yellowish background color (not always, as Mark pointed out in earlier posts). Also a few other people have noted black bottom lip scales and head scale counts as other methods of idenification. But neither is a proven method as of yet.

As for Coastals,...well they tend to get 7ft plus. And thats about it for characteristics. They come in all patterns and shades of color.

Diamonds, pure diamonds are one of the easiest to identify. They have a mostly black and yellow flecked bodies with white-ish markings randomly across their body. Any picture of a true diamond will give you an good idea of what they generally look like.

You say that you first baught your carpet as a Jungle, but then after, your friend started thinking it might have Diamond in it. I'm not going to say that that it isn't a posibility, but I think he might have thought, like you, that the 'diamond' shaped markings on the snake might mean it had Diamond blood (Fairly common misconception). Also another thing that makes me think you might have a Jungle is the black bottom lip scales. Its not definate of course but I've seen many jungles on this forum with the same thing.

Anyways I hope this helps,

Darci
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