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R. Brevs in a glass tank...

funnyman527 Nov 17, 2004 04:53 PM

Hi, i'm thinking of getting sum pygmy chameleons (R. brev) and while doing my research ive read that these types of pygmys can be kept in a glass terrarium. I kno that other chameleons need to be kept in openaired reptariums and such. so please no banter about how cham's should be kept in reptatiums, not glass enclosures. If you truley kno about pygmy chameleons (r. Brev) i would be very grateful for any responses, tips, suggestions, that you might have to offer.

Thanks in advance
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Replies (15)

mrcham Nov 17, 2004 05:27 PM

Hi,
Yes you can keep them in glass tanks!
You can make it a nice viviarium with different plants and the like
A feeding dish works well in mine,They dont need a water dish
Make sure you mist a few times a day
I have a repti glo 5.0 for the uv and feed them pin head crix and fruit flies but they hardly eat the ff's

funnyman527 Nov 17, 2004 06:04 PM

Wut size tank do you have? I currently have a 10 gallon tank, and i read that u could keep a trio in a 10, but it wouldnt be too costly for me to invest in a 20 tall if it was absolutly nessisary. How much did u pay for your r. brevs? I'm going to a reptile show in early december, and i'm hoping to get sum there.
Also, do you kno of any good caresheets for r. brevs? i've only found one online that i like. http://www.martinsreptiles.co.uk/ukchams/stumptailcare.htm
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mrcham Nov 17, 2004 06:25 PM

I would go with at least 15 gallon for a trio
20 gallon long would be best
I got mine at a show fer $15 but they can go as high as $40
Its best to get cb brevs As i hear that the wc ones die for no apparent reason although mine are doing well
heres a good cite...lol

Link

funnyman527 Nov 17, 2004 07:51 PM

wut do you think about the use of UV lighting with the R brevs? most sites that ive seen, including the one you refrenced me to, said that UV light is not needed for r brevs.
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mrcham Nov 17, 2004 10:49 PM

I have heard both arguments on uva/b
I have no idea which is right so i use to be on the safe side

roocat71 Nov 17, 2004 08:47 PM

I recommend one cham for each 10 gallons – same as frogs. I have some small ones in several critter containers with a 40w bulb over them (72degrees). I also have some in a 29g with live plants, cork, moss, dead leaves, rocks, drift wood, etc, along with a ton of climbing branches. The substrate is ground coconut bark – there are drainage layers as well. I have a small heat mat on one side with a 60w bulb. So that side is around 82 and the far side is around 72. It gets a tad colder towards the very bottom of the tank on the cold side – probably around 67. 12 hour day cycle and the heat mat is on 24/7. The chams tend to hang out towards the warmer side but go to the colder side to cool off every so often and to defecate. I have a fan that runs during the day in the far corner of the room to circulate air. I am going to plum a humidifier to the tank next. I feed them a ton of different feeder – favorites are wax moths, house flies, and cockroach nymphs.

-roo

funnyman527 Nov 17, 2004 09:24 PM

Would sumbody be kind enough to post a list of items i would require to set up a tank for R. Brevs? Type of substrate, good plants to use (live or fake?) (if live, wut types), etc..

thx!
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mrcham Nov 17, 2004 11:00 PM

bed a beast is just one of many that works good as a substrate
as far as plants go in my oppinion pothos is the way to go!
although i have a bromelaid in their tank and a few air plants and a small orchid that wouldnt fit in my frog tank...lol
but they love the pothos and its hard to kill
no need for a cave as they climb the plants at night
put a few sterilized branches and some leaf litter in also

p.s. whatever you do make sure what ever you put in has no MITES in it

funnyman527 Nov 18, 2004 12:55 AM

Do you have a drainage "system" set up in ur substrate, like gravel and that kinda stuff? If so, can u tell me wut u feel to work the best? And also, do you plat your plants directly into your substrate? or do you eave them im their org. planter things, or wut?
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mrcham Nov 18, 2004 08:16 AM

Hi again,
I dont have a drainage system in my tank but i think it wouldnt hurt to put a inch or two of gravel on the bottom,if you do that just put some screen between the gravel and subsrate so the substrate doesnt mix with the gravel, I also hear leca(clay pellets)work good too
And yes i plant my plants directly in the substrate the plants i mentioned before dont need any fertilizer except for cham feces

funnyman527 Nov 18, 2004 08:32 AM

Do you not remove the cham feces from your tank ever then?
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mrcham Nov 18, 2004 08:50 AM

I clean the tank once a month
more if needed

roocat71 Nov 18, 2004 08:17 AM

This is how I set up my 29g brev setup …

Bottom draining layer is 2 inches of terracotta balls. They are clay balls that have been fired/heated to make them hard. Its basically clay pot material. Its cheaper and lighter then using gravel and it allows for more air pockets so water can evaporate. You can find it a plant nursery that has orchids. On top of that I put some fiberglass window screening. On top of that I use about an inch and a half of orchid charcoal. I put a bunch in a bag and step on it to grind it down a bit (do outside – very dusty stuff). The charcoal pulls impurities out of the water like a filter. Again, on top of that another piece of fiberglass window screening. The screening keeps the different drainage layers from mixing. Some people use aluminum screening but I don’t suggest it. Both of these materials were rinsed thoroughly with water first. I can’t emphasize enough that you have proper drainage – this will either make or break the enclosure. Next come the plants, I keep them in the pots and place the pots right over the charcoal layer on top of the screen. Keeping them in the pots lets excess water drain out and also makes replacing dead/dying plants much easier. Plants were removed from the pots and the pots were cleaned before going into the tank. I also wash the plants with a mild dish washing liquid. Be sure to keep soap out of the soil. I usually add some organic soil over the top of the existing soil too. I use non-toxic plants – right now I have small ficus and small palm plant in there. Bromeliads and other tropical plants work great too. I have an unoccupied 10g with a pothos and a bromeliad.

Around the plant pots I placed some large river stones – this so I don’t have to have 5 inches of top substrate (3 inches is fine) – the objective here is to hide the plant pots. The stones kind of act as a”filler”. The top layer of substrate is bed-a-beast ground coconut bark – the same stuff can be found at the plant nursery too which is cheaper. People can get creative here and add things like sand and peat moss to the coconut grounds to help it drain better. I am fine with just the coconut grounds but may experiment with my next enclosure. I pat down the this final layer just bit but not too much so that it wont drain.

The last step is to add furnishings. The assumptions here are that everything was cleaned with anti-bacterial soap or a 10:1 water/bleach mix or baked in the oven at 350 for 30 minutes (for the leaves, sticks). Moss/Cork was just rinsed with warm water.

Pieces of cork – LLL Reptile or plant nursery
Drift wood
Wood sticks from craft store and from outside – LOTS of them
Moss collected outside
Leaves collected outside
Tree bark collected outside
Large river stones here and there
Couple fake vines from Exo-Terra
Terrarium moss from zoomed for around the tops of the plant pots

Heating / Lighting …

I have a repti-sun 5.0 over the top- more for the plants and lighting up the tank. Since its cold where I live I have a 60w bulb on the left side of the enclosure. When you have a large enclosure its best to have some cooler and warmer areas. This couldn’t be done with a 10g tank. Offering the animals a choice of temperature zones is better then one temp throughout the enclosure. The warmer area is low to mid 80s and the cooler area is usually around 67-72 depending how high or low in the tank the temp is taken. The brevs like the warmer side. I also have a small heat pad on the warm side. Basically do what you have to do to keep temps around the low to mid 70s. If you have a larger enclosure – maybe try and have a zone that is around 80-85. The key thing here is watch the animal(s) and see where they like to hang out.

I mist a couple of times a day. It’s easy to over mist so make sure you give it time to dry out a bit. Keeping the substrate moist at all times but not sopping wet is what I do. I plan on pluming an ultrasonic humidifier into the tank soon. Having air flow in the room but not directly on the tank is a good idea too.

Final remarks …

Have a ton of sticks some high and some low enough so they can zap feeders on the ground.

Co-inhabitants – I put in a bunch of roly-poly bugs. Some people call them pills bugs since they roll up into a ball when threatened. They act like “janitors” and eat up decaying material that could promote fungus. I haven’t seen too many lately so I think they are getting eaten as well. You can but them on line or find them outside under rocks and in dead tree bark.

I did this write up quickly so if something doesn’t seem right or u have some q’s please ask.

-roo

funnyman527 Nov 18, 2004 08:40 AM

I kno that the larger types of chams sumtimes eat the plants in their enclosure, would r. brevs eat the plants in their enclosure? and if they do, are they even big enough to completly destroy the plant? or they too small to make a difference?
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mrcham Nov 18, 2004 08:51 AM

I have never seen them eat of seen any signs of them eating plants

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