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I would like to hear from the Aldabra keepers...

A.C. Nov 19, 2004 08:06 PM

People who keep Aldabras, what is your take? I have always loved these TORTS since seeing them in the zoos as a child.

They are a HUGE investment reptile wise. What do you guys think? I'm talking about those who keep 1-4 Aldabras. Do you guys regret it? Any hints for someone looking to go to the next level after keeping boxies and woodies? Do they take up more time than the usual tortoise? Any problems with them getting sick?

Any feedback would be great.

Thanks in advance.
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Replies (9)

ecoman Nov 20, 2004 12:55 AM

check out JG's outlawtortoise.com (hope I got it right, wherethe it's still active is another thing...they hadn't update for years!)

they had a group of similar giants (galops) and should cover most of your concerns...(just to give you a hint: they planted 500 cactus bushed for starter...

sctortplace Nov 20, 2004 11:26 AM

I'm sure ecoman is trying to be helpful, but it always amazes me that a person will post a link, which he readily admits he's unsure about, without just taking the 10 seconds to see if it still works - this one doesn't, at least for me!

Also, not sure how relevant an older site - "they hadn't update (sic) for years!" - about an entirely different species from a different hemisphere, would likely be.

ecoman Nov 21, 2004 01:19 AM

>>he readily admits he's unsure about, without just taking the 10 seconds to see if it still works - this one doesn't, at least for me!
...so true! the site(s) (yes, not one...but TWO now! 1999 and 2002) are still there: IDLING!!!

>>Also, not sure how relevant an older site - "they hadn't update (sic) for years!" - about an entirely different species from a different hemisphere, would likely be.
...if you just focus on da "GIANTS", please...is there an "unencountered of another 3rd KIND/type of similar size?(your sulcata doesn't count here let's get it straight) ...BUT they actually had BOTHS

>>Also, not sure how relevant an older site - "they hadn't update (sic) for years!"
...dude, why don't you try to maintain 200 acres of land (not counting the animals that are in it)...and running another (virtual)site at the same time for JUST a month and comeback to give us an update ay?...

p.s_regarding the missing link, it had been re-addressed to the asking...didn't know it had an effects on you... email me direct if you still itching for it and as I said before (even with the new 2002 site), most of the glory details (interviews/inputs) has been lost/removed/disconnected for whatever reason...but if you dead serious about it, send me your snail mail address for I still have the hard copy...or you can call and talk to them yourself...

EJ Nov 20, 2004 11:10 AM

Anthony, I'm the guy selling the Aldabras.

As I've told you off line, Aldabras are probably THE next step in keeping tortoises. You probably will not find any higher requirement of commitment of time, money and resources.

Again, When you get into an animal this big you are basically looking at maintaining a farm animal.

What's worse is that you are also going to have to provide for it during the cooler seasons because it is a poikilotherm.

Check out the book Giant Tortoises of the Indian Ocean. It is probably the best single reference available todady. It also shows pictures of the park where the tortoise I have come from.
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Ed
Tortoise_Keepers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

sctortplace Nov 20, 2004 12:12 PM

After much thought and planning (and 10 year's successful experience with many other tortoise species,) we bought a two-month-old hatchling Aldabra in Daytona in August 2003. Then, in December of last year, we added a two-year-old from a guy in Pennsylvania who decided he had jumped in too quickly, particularly given his area's long cold season.

So, we've been Aldabra keepers for about 16 months or so, and all of this with just two, still quite small examples. And, we're in the coastal plain of South Carolina, so we have excellent 24-hr. outdoor weather, generally mid-April to
mid-October. Even when they later have to go up in the tortoise barn at night, there are usually five or six hours of OK temps. for outside daytimes for most of the rest of the year. Late December to early March is when we're really temperature challenged for these tropical beasts, and that just means more work, more mangement, and more money (proper heating, lighting and indoors room.)

The point is, this isn't a difficult species at all, if you're in a tropical climate with plenty of well-secured outdoor area.
We have the area, but we only have a percentage of the needed climate and that, in our experience, determines the difficulty.

I'm more enthused now than the day we bought our first little fellow, and wouldn't give them up for anything. They're just super beasts. But, for someone who's just enthralled with the idea of owning a giant tortoise and how cool they think that must be, there's a good likelihood that the infatuation will wane as the real work kicks in - or, worse yet, the tortoise may just suffer from lack of proper husbandry.

Nothing against our snake-keeping fellow herp hobbyists, but lots of those guys decide at some point that having few tortoises is a cool deal, and just aren't prepared for what's required to meet the needs of a tortoise. There's no slapping these guys in a sweater box and tossin' 'em a mouse every couple weeks.

I, like Ed, am all for keeping the fun in tortoise keeping, but this needs to be carefully thought out, with particular attention to climate, resources, and commitment over the very long haul.

We fully realize we haven't even begun yet as our older guy is only about 15 lbs. We do, however, own a 70 pound, "bull" sulcata who is more than a handful. Hard to imagine what it will be like with the Aldabras at, perhaps, four to six times that weight, even with their more shy personalities. But we know that, have (hopefully) thought it through, and are ready.

Only you can answer whether you are. Good luck!

EJ Nov 20, 2004 12:30 PM

One little point I'd like to address to this post.

I don't think they have to be kept in a tropical environment. Where they are normally found, even though it is an island habitat it is relatively dry. I also sold a pair to a guy in the desert and I drilled the point home in that I didn't know anyone who was keeping them in the desert and I didn't know how they would really do. (As it turns out... they love it and are doing great) What I do know is that these guys like it really hot. Mine bask in the sun when it is over a 100F outside and it blows me away.

On the flip side when it is in the 50s to 60s they are active as ever. that big black shell really absorbs heat.

The point is that these guys are really adaptable.

Oh... one story comes to mind. There is a zoo in Mylasia that is having a terrible time keeping the babies alive... Hot and humid. Go figure. (but it can be many things)

Needless to say these guys are fantastic if you do get into them. They are very unique.
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Ed
Tortoise_Keepers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

A.C. Nov 20, 2004 09:17 PM

I currently keep about 60 snakes (more when the eggs hatch) along with 2 NA wood turtles, 2 blandings, 1 HUGE common snapper, a razorback musk turtle, and breeding groups of eastern and gulf coast box turtles, so I feel I certainly have the experience. I live in the NY metro area with a yard as big as most rural people's barn! I may have to wait on the Aldabra until I move to a bigger home which should be in the next few years. I am going to pick up the book. I have already contacted the author.

I wish there were others that owned these here in the Northeast. I would love to know how long they stay active. For our native reptiles, May-Sept is the active season (with a few exceptions). I see the big beasts at the Bronx and Philly zoo's when the temps are in the 50's, but I still think that may be too much for a juvie to handle.

Time to read up!

Also, I'd like to give Ed a whole bunch of credit for never once being a pushy salesman. He really cares about the animals and gave me a very unbiased opinion on them and their care.
I will keep in touch.
Thanks.
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

sonodog Nov 25, 2004 03:13 AM

Another thing to keep in mind-- Since I got "isabella" (at the time was 250lbs and now going past 300) a Galapagos, my back has not been the same. Although she is not a dumb animal, she always seems to get into predicaments that need me to move her like climbing the steps to the back porch and being to chicken s--t to go back down on her own. In the cold weather, she usualy goes into the heated garage on her own but sometimes falls asleep in the far part of the yard when the temp drops and i need to put her in myself. I had to buy a flat cart on wheels that is about 6" high that I have to lift her on and the pull her to wherever I need her to go, but even pulling the cart across a lawn will test your mettle (Not to mention your lumbar vertebra). Also, an animal that big craps like a horse! and when they are indoors for cold wheather, it can smell pretty ripe. By the way- she got that big in 13 years and I know aldabras can grow every bit as fast or faster in captivity if they are munching all day on the lawn, so that cute baby aldabra (or Galap or sulcata) will soon weight as much as you or more. You realy have to love them to keep them.

ecoman Nov 26, 2004 02:59 AM

...and kindly ask Santa for a new forklift this Christmas

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