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She is almost ready to breed to my super pastel. Does anyone know how much killer bees are going for?
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Wow, awesome animal!!

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I think a killer bee is a super pastel spider. If someone had a super pastel and bred it to a spider they would only get pastels and bumble bees (spider pastels). You would need pastel on both sides to have a shot at producing super pastel anything.

The bumble bee is a pastel spider. I am breeding her to a super pastel, so I can produce killer bees which is a super pastel spider. My question is does anyone know what killer bees are going for? I have not seen any advertised with a price.

I think that's because there still so uncommon. It's harder to hit that 1-16 odds for a super, then you go and add the spider gene into it. You have to hit the super pastel odds then the spider odd too.

I think I did that right. .more then one genetic trait at a time still confuses me.

Beautiful girl, she's fat and chucky fer sure.
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Violette Garcia
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Breeding a super pastel to a pastel will give you 50% supers instead of the lower percentage of breeding pastel to pastel. The bumble bee is still a pastel and my male is a super.

I don't know why everyone is finding the genetics so hrd to understand though! LOL!

A BumbleBee is a PASTEL SPIDER.

If he really has an adult pair of super pastel and a bumblebee (double het spider and pastel) to cross it to it would only be a 1 in 4 shot to produce killer bees. Of course the breeding pair would cost more than most people's houses.

These are my animals. That is my bumble bee. Here is a pic of my super male with my super female. The male is on the left

Bumblee bees go for 35K. A killer bee should go for at least 70K IMO (seeing as how they have at least a 1/2 chance of produceing bumbleebees their first year). But i say you keep the killer bees and stary producing hypo killer bees....drools at the thought.

But hey a chance to get 70K from one sale is hard to resist and a good deal.

Well anyway got anymore pics? if you got a bunch e-mail me them?
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I didn't look very close and thought she was just a regular spider you found a picture of somewhere.

Things as rare as killer bee or even bumblebee probably don't have a hard and fast set price yet. Have any killer bee's changed hands yet? I would expect anything that rare to change a lot in price from the first to the third to the sixth and not really have a going price for a few more years.

I think that you are going to find that a killerbee has more trade value than anything else. Most of the bigger breeders will use something like that to get other desirable animals from other big breeders, or just wait for someone with more dollars than sense to come by. Very recently, a well known company was offering a bumblebee for 38K, and I cannot see any justification for that price. You take a $1500.00 male pastel, and cross it with a $4500.00 female spider, and with 1 in 4 odds, produce an animal that is worth more than six times the cost of the parent animals????? Not in my book. Maybe if the odds were 1 in 16, but not at only 1 in 4. The bumblebee is way overpriced, and should have entered the market at no more than 15k max.

Just my opinion....

SJReptiles

The bumblebee is way overpriced, and should have entered the market at no more than 15k max.

The Bumblebee ENTERED the market when Spiders were $20,000 and Pastel females were $3,000, so I don't see how they could have gone for $15K. At that price, nobody would have bought regular Spiders!

Also, it takes more than a $1500 Pastel male and a $4500 Spider female. It takes a $3000 ADULT Pastel male and a $$$$$ ADULT female Spider. More than $6K for those adult animals. At least in my travels.

Also, it takes more than a $1500 Pastel male and a $4500 Spider female. It takes a $3000 ADULT Pastel male and a $$$$$ ADULT female Spider. More than $6K for those adult animals. At least in my travels.

What it takes, is the figures I posted, and a little patience. If you don't want to take a couple of years to raise up juveniles to breeding size, then by all means, feel free to pay the going rate. Rumor has it, that each bumblebee comes with a jar of vaseline that has the buyer's name engraved in gold leaf....

What it takes, is the figures I posted, and a little patience

Why not have even more patience and wait 10 years until Spiders are $1K and Pastels are $500?? Of course you could wait longer and pay less. The point is, if you're going to buy a Bumblebee, you are buying an animal that is ALREADY made! Its done and existing in the here and now. And if its a male, it'll be ready to breed at the 30 normals sitting in your collection NEXT YEAR. Buy the BABY ingredients and not only will it take you 3 more years to produce the same sname (which will be worth less), but it will also take you an EXRA year to start producing more.

Investments are investments and some require more money. Everyone that's bought spiders and pastels have all made their money back, unless they suck at breeding. Some make more than others. It all depends on what you want out of the hobby. No way is wrong.

Heck, why buy a snow Ball Python when you can buy het axanthics and het albinos and take 10 years and 30 snakes to produce one?

Investments are investments and some require more money. Everyone that's bought spiders and pastels have all made their money back, unless they suck at breeding. Some make more than others. It all depends on what you want out of the hobby. No way is wrong.

I agree with you 100% on that.

Sorry if I came off a little strong, I had my toys taken away at a young age.....

SJReptiles

Its the internet man.

You took the words out of my mouth. In addition to that, you will not have a one out of four chance to produce a bumble bee by breeding a pastel to a spider. There is about a one in four chance to produce a pastel and about the same odds to produce a spider. The odds are even greater for both mutations to hit one snake.

Pastel x normal is 1/2 Pastels.
Spider (assuming its not homozygous) x normal is 1/2 Spiders.

Therefore, Pastel x Spider is 1/2 x 1/2 chance in hitting a Bumblebee (AKA the prettiest Ball Morph on the planet!).

In my experience, the pastel percentage has not averaged 50%. Sometimes it works out, but more times than not it has been less than an even split. Maybe I should revise my statement to 33%. After all pastel to pastel does not produce all pastels. Anyway, take care.

When producing pastels (well and dom/co-dom) in quantity...this percentage will normally hold true....unless you just have bad luck....
If you're just looking at a breeding or two...yes the percentage will vary drastically ....
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Luke Martin
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A Punnet Square will tell you what averages you SHOULD get. The averages that you DO get, while practical and useful to YOU, aren't really factored into what everyone else on the planet is hoping for. A het co-dom (pastel = het super pastel) will, on average, yeild 50% pastels when bred to a normal. You can't just say its a 1/4 chance because that's what YOU'VE experienced! LOL!

That's like saying that after one breeding where you got 3 eggs that the average clutch size for a Ball Python is 3 eggs.

LOL!

Just because you have averaged about 33% only means you have been unlucky which is completely possible with small numbers. When you have bred 1,000 pastels or spiders X normal, you will be very close to 50%.

It's pretty cut and dry statistics and Mendelian genetics. Good luck with the bumblebee/killer bee.

It's always good to double check what you actually get with what is predicted just in case you are missing something in your prediction.

I haven't heard of pastel or spider being anything less than super hardy but in theory you could get a week morph where the mutant eggs are less likely to hatch. Of course you would need a huge sample size to really prove it. Anyone have a break down of pastel vs. normal hatchlings out of a hundred or more hatchlings from pastel X normal?

Your right, I suppose there could be dleterious gene that while capable of producing a morph, also makes it less likely for the embryo to survive.

My ratio is 14 pastels to 17 normals. Maybe if enough people contributed their numbers we would have our sample size.