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Too lazy to search for Blue Beauties (Terry Cox, Chris Harper, etc.)

Matt Campbell Nov 23, 2004 10:18 PM

Hey guys. I just picked up a pair of cb '04 Blue Beauties as an adoption today. They came from the collection of a guy that passed away. Anyway, I'm being lazy and not wanting to try to search all the way back through the forums to find our Blue Beauty thread from a few months ago. What did we end up deciding about the Blues other than that someone needs to describe them to species. I seem to remember all of our collective information pointed to them not neccessarily coming from Vietnam but did we figure maybe Thailand or Burma[Myanmar]? Also, these were sold to the original owner as a breeding pair, but I probed them out and didn't really find a signifcant difference between the two. They both seem to have probed fairly deeply - about maybe 10 subcaudals or more? One might have been shallower than the other but not by much - maybe 4 subcaudals?
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

Replies (6)

Terry Cox Nov 24, 2004 04:47 AM

Congrats on getting the pair. Post a pic when you can. I remember the thread and saved part of it. Drop me an email and I'll send it to you. Basically, my argument was that they must be more from Thailand than Vietnam, because of geography and circumstances there. They are probably shipped from Vietnam, or are from near the border, to give the name Vietnamese blue beauties. The bluest ones may come from savanna-type habitat, possibly subtropical, trying to make a correlation there. Cool snakes, but very large. Colubridman has nice examples of this snake, and may be able to provide some husbandry notes. Good luck. TC.

chris_harper2 Nov 24, 2004 08:00 AM

Hi Matt,

I vaguely remember that thread but don't remember the details. House hunting has me way to stressed out.

Hopefully Terry's information will help.

Did you ever get the Ptyas?
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Matt Campbell Nov 24, 2004 02:00 PM

I'm going to keep these Blues the same as I keep my Taiwans, although the caging will be considerably smaller for quite a while. These two are only recent hatchlings - probably August or September so they're still only about 13 - 14 inches. I have been waiting and waiting and waiting for the Ptyas. Importing is of course not an exact or easy thing so I understand some delays. However, if I end up not getting my snakes from this guy I found another guy that has imported them in the past as feeders for King Cobras. So, if my importer doesn't come through in the next few weeks then I'll be looking elsewhere.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

crtoon83 Nov 24, 2004 02:25 PM

how do you keep your taiwans? The reason I ask is because I had read a bunch of info on taiwans saying they could be in a more vertical cage with a smaller base size...but according to a lot of people here who have been dealing with the blues for years say they need more of a floor space than a vertical.
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Matt Campbell Nov 24, 2004 07:09 PM

I keep my Taiwans in a vertical setup. It measures 29x29x72 [inches]. Hide spots in both the top and bottom of cage with heat source coming from 150 watt white incandescent infrared bulb with supplemental lighting from a two bulb 4' fluorescent fixture with two Verilux full spectrum [color spectrum not UV] bulbs. Climbing branches give access from the top to the bottom of the cage. I also have a pothos plant hanging from the top of each cage which they frequently curl up on. Nothing like seeing a 6 1/2 foot snake curled up on a plant in an 8 inch pot. It's a good thing that pothos are tough and can take the punishment. Oh yeah, each cage has a single mister head that comes on twice a day for 5 minutes from Monday through Friday. As for Blues, I think I'm going to experiment with them some since they're still juveniles. I'll give them a cage big enough to choose between higher vertical spaces and lower horizontal spaces. Depending on their preferences will dictate how I set up a larger cage later on. As far as Blues go I do know of a couple people who've said anecdotally that given a choice of elevated perches their Blues tend to seek out those perches. Also, I've noticed with these Blues I just acquired and those larger individuals that I've seen - they all have tails that are proportionally as long as on Taiwans. Long tail lengths in proportion to body length is often a characteristic of arboreal snakes as is the taller than wide body plan that seemingly all Orthriophis seem to have. I won't say they're all arboreal snakes but I will say they are strongly adapted to moving about off the ground, probably even better than many of our native ratsnakes. I think also, if you set up an enclosure with multiple spots for a snake to bask or hang out [no pun intended] at different levels you pretty much have all the bases covered. I've noticed with my Taiwans that they will frequently lay coiled on the elevated perches but just as often they will arrange themselves stretched out over the bracing tubes that run around the cage perimeter halfway up. The last thing is to think outside the box, literally when looking at cages. Too many snake keepers I think are stuck on keeping all snakes in rack boxes or at best in traditional long-and-low cage layouts that are little more than slight improvements on traditional glass aquaria that are best suited to fish, not herps.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

Conrad Nov 24, 2004 06:45 PM

You're blues are only 13 or 14 inches long? I've never seen hatchlings that small. My smallest average length was 18 inches. But it's good to know that they found a good home. If I can help out in any way just shoot me an e-mail.
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Conrad
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