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Dwarf Kingsnake/birth defect. . . & unusual color. . . (what morph?)

BlueKing Nov 25, 2004 03:27 PM

Hatched these earlier in the year. I'm not an expert on Cal King morphs (yet), I only have one breeding pair. But they sure threw out a variety of babies including these two in the pic. The yellow banded is an albino, what is the white one called? Just curious...
The white one also has two internasal scales missing and a reduced rostral scale which severely shortened the length of it's snout. It's body to tail length ratio is also a lot less than it's 9 siblings who were all normal (very short body length). It was also the only baby that refused ALL of my 30 years worth of feeding tricks. This was only the second snake that I ever had to force feed, but he took it well! He's very healthy and his digestive system is working perfect. I think I'll have him eating soon. The yellow banded snake in the pic is his sister. . . Thanks for looking. . .

Zee

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BlueKing Nov 25, 2004 03:48 PM

Here's a comparison of the two snakes' heads side by side. (You may have to scroll right & down in order to see the pic better). As you can see the two prefrontals are nice and big, but the internasals are missing and there is only a small hint of nostrils. It's whole snout is short & stubby looking, (but so is it's body length). It was the only baby that I had to cut out of it's egg. It couldn't get out on it's own (5 days after all of his siblings hatched).

Zee

Zee

ZFelicien Nov 25, 2004 04:27 PM

That snake looks great, I've never seen a cali king like that. The other one appears to be a lavender albino and the "white" one seem to have ruby eyes like his sibling. it kinda looks like a snow morph, he has pure white bands on a lavender background that look is "tripy"... You may have something new on your hands, good luck and keep us posted on his progress. can't wait to see what he looks like in a few months.
~ZF

BlueKing Nov 25, 2004 06:08 PM

Thanks ZF! I am going to see if he'll eat on his own again this weekend! Hope he'll get the hang of it soon. (I'm not real fond of force feeding, if you know what I mean). By the way, the parents were: Father- brown & white banded. Mother: brown & yellow (coastal phase) striped.

Zee

Sasheena Nov 25, 2004 07:33 PM

Kerby Ross is a real expert on cal kings, I'm guessing he could really tell you what you have there... I'm suspecting that the "deformed" nose, the lack of ability to exit the shell, and the non-feeder reaction all have to do with some deformity and he may never eat. Last year I got my cal king babies to eat without hesitation, this year I had one stubborn feeder cal king... but several stubborn corn hatchlings. Put the two together, and I solved all my problems.

Interesting and beautiful babies. I've never hatched an albino cal king, so I couldn't tell you about their appearance as far as color is concerned.

Beautiful snakes in any case.
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~Sasheena

BlueKing Nov 25, 2004 09:01 PM

I just read the posts from Rainer (Kerby) down below and got my cal king 101 crash course, LOL! Thanks for the input and (for getting his attention)LOL!
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

Are your surviving corns still doing okay?

Zee

Sasheena Nov 25, 2004 10:33 PM

My corns are doing great. I also still have 6 cal king babies from my clutch of 9 still with me. Sold one to one of my students, one to the kid down the street, and one, alas, was thrown in the trash can by my cat. (a long and involved story)

I'm getting pretty excited about the upcoming breeding season. Especially because I'm hoping on having a complete renovation of my "mouse house" so that I can increase the number of animals it supports. (currently I have 20 mouse bins, 7 rat cages, 8 snakes, and one snake rack I have to sell) in the one building. After the renovations I should be able to increase the number of critter cages to 36 mouse bins, 12 rat bins, and use only half the space I'm currently using. The other half I hope to convert to adult snake racks.
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~Sasheena

JETZEN Nov 25, 2004 05:05 PM

that goes to show the scale variation that happens within a species SOMETIMES more SOMETIMES less. AND cool little cali's!

Kerby... Nov 25, 2004 07:59 PM

What you have in color is very normal. The missing scales is just a deformity.

Since cal kings are variable in color, the albino counterpart will vary. All these color phases will produce different albino colors:

A cal king that is black with yellow bands will be an albino that is white with yellow bands.

A cal king that is black with white bands will be an albino that is white with pink/off-white bands.

Of course, as babies they will be different looking than as adults. And some cal kings as babies may appear to be black with white markings and then as adults turn into dark brown with yellow markings.

Kerby...

Kerby... Nov 25, 2004 08:06 PM

For example:

Here is an Albino High White. No yellow what-so-ever because if it wasn't an albino it would be a white cal king with a black mask.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Nov 25, 2004 08:20 PM

The yellow on a cal king will also be yellow when albino.

Notice that the color of the mask on the head of the Albino Banana is the same as on the Albino High White.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Nov 25, 2004 08:26 PM

There isn't any yellow on this albino because if it wasn't an albino it would be a 50-50 without any yellow.

Kerby...
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Kerby... Nov 25, 2004 08:29 PM

but you get the idea of no yellow.

Kerby...

BlueKing Nov 25, 2004 08:57 PM

I think I got it now! LOL! I am much more familiar with the eastern Kings, floridas, & speckleds. I kind of got stuck with this breeding pair as a result of someone's divorce, LOL! They were given to me - can't complain about that price, (Cheap as heck!) So I decided to breed them and they turned out: Black & whites banded, striped, and both. AND: brown and white banded, sriped and both. AND: The one odd ball with the short snout. I thought that was quite a variety from just one pair. The parents must be het for a lot of different things I guess. . .(as I don't know where they came from - local pet stores)

Thank you for the Cal King101 course (NICE PICS) & Happy thanksgiving!!!

By the way, do you still have any of those white speckled brooksi that resemble OBK's?

Zee

bluerosy Nov 25, 2004 09:29 PM

I guess weve all had to much of that amino acid tryptophan today! LOL!

I only have a trio of those black and white florida intergrades that look like OBK's. I have seen pics from Lake City area intergrades that look more similar to mine than the OBK's.

BTW Kerby (not me) gets all the credit for that cal king exposition.

Kerby = Kerby
Bluerosy = Rainer

BlueKing Nov 25, 2004 09:34 PM

OOPS, sorry was thinking too much - SO many people so little time! Sometimes I forget my own name!!!

Zee

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