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I have a 03'CB trio. Sorry for the bad pic.

Terry Parks

nice ter! where did you get them, if i may ask? i just ordered an 04 pair from a clutch that was recently offered in the classifieds. those parents were caught raiding duck nests 50 miles north of
pensacola i'm told......

DD -
Thanks for the comments on the white oaks. I got them last year from Rich Hebron in Jacksonville, Florida. He didn't breed them. He was looking for this particular bloodline and I picked up a trio when he found them. I'll check on getting some better specifics on them. That's a nice locale of the ones you have ordered.

Terry Parks

What color qualities would you use to differentiate an ordinary Gray Rat Snake from the White Oak morph? I have pictures of Grays that were a very light gray color with medium gray colored saddles. Is that the classic White Oak morph coloring, or is White Oak Snake just another came for any Gray Rat Snake? Like the way that Yellow Rat Snakes are also known as Chicken Snakes.

By the way Terry, that is one nice looking snake.

Thanks for the comments Rick. Gray rat snakes have a ground color of medium or light gray and/or a pale brown with blotches that are dark gray and/or brown. In Florida, gray rat snakes are sometimes referred to as the 'white oak snake'. In Florida, the ground light ground colorcanget so light it is almost white. Those are generally what you see called "white oak" phase gray rat snake. It isn't a morph, but rather a color phase. Breeders are producing some very nice "white oak" phase gra rat snakes. Some ground colors are approaching white. It seems to washout or give it a busy pattern which can look really great with the color contrast.

Some of you in Florida probably can add to or correct anything.

Terry Parks

Funny how a brown, grey, and white snake can be so attractive. I have had bad luck with white oaks though, purley strange coincidence.

being that good looking. Can't figure how they come up with that statement. I think if you are inline breeding to make your white oaks look better than you might need to have a colony going. It seems you can get some great looking white oaks and some maybe not so great looking white oaks. Don't know why that happens, but it seems to.

Now if you take a white oak gray rat snake and cross breed it to a Texas rat snake, you can get something like this one. This isn't the better looking one either. The good looking ones have a pink or champagne ground color.

Terry Parks