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Social, time sharing, resource sharing, etc.

FR Nov 28, 2004 05:24 PM


Hmmmmmmmmmmm, is anything divided that clearly? I mean, if they time share and resource share, while being anti-social, or solitary animals. Wait, if they were, they would have no need to do those. Well anyway.

I am positive, if they are social, and i believe they are, they also include time sharing, resource sharing, plus all sorts of other behavioral labels. I don't know, maybe hundreds at once.

The problem I have with this is, how the heck am I suppose to know which is which, dang, they all sort of seem like social. And if they do several at once, man am I going to be confused.

In these pics, can anyone pick out any of these behaviors or others?

or in this group?

To me it seems like they are being curious, social, sharing(time and resource) and defensive to boot. Maybe even a bit protective. One even looks like she wants to kick my butt. And they move from one to the other in seconds or less. Heck they can change this while sitting and staring at me.

Please understand I can speak a tiny bit of science babble(please no offence) But this is not science, its a hobby and we should have our own hobby babble.

I wonder if the model airplane industry, has the same exact meanings are words from the airline industry?

We are required to have fun with our hobby. With that in mind, If the monitors look or act or appear social to me, I am going to call them that, and good old science, can do what ever blows there skirt up. Again no offence. If a pair of monitors appear to bond, as a hobbyist/herpetoculturist, (heck with that, i will use hobbyist) I feel compelled to say, they are bonded.

But please, its our hobby and we can call it anything we like.

If science has never seen them bond, why would they care if we call our bonded monitors, bonded.

If science has never seen social monitors, why would they care if we have social monitors?

If science says monitors do not multiclutch, why would they care if ours do?

Maybe ours multiclutch because they are social and bond. hahahahahahahahahaha actually, who cares, they just do.

To be more accurate, we, not only "can" call them whatever we like, we should. As we are the ones talking and comunicating to eachother. If we call one of the pics above, social, and another keeper things its the same, then thats how terms and words are coined and created.

Please understand, if science wants to say, nope that ain't that, this is that! Well thats fine, but I have to ask, why don't they keep it to themselves. Please not in a harsh way, but if they want to call it something different, they can and please do.

What is wonderous to me is, we hobbyist are doing just fine with the terms and lauguage we use, they seem to want us to change and do this their way, which has not shown to be all that successful.

My personal opinion is simple, they complicate and confuse, which leads to failure and misunderstanding. (personal opinion)

We are doing just fine being simple and uncomplicated. If it appears social, then it is. Smells like, feels like, looks like, then lastly if it tastes like, yuck, it must be?? FR

Replies (4)

KL Nov 28, 2004 06:05 PM

My guess is that the scientists will say, "all of this so called "social" behavior may be going on in the strict confines of a cage, but I have never seen it in the wild, so it can't possibly be going on out in nature"

I have no doubt that monitors may act somewhat differently in captivity than they do in the wild, but my guess is that they are more the same in captivity than they are different.

I would think that the scientists would be busy collecting the needed research dollars to go out into the wild and either prove or disprove a whole host of issues that have been brought up by the recent successful captive breeding of all these different monitors.

FR Nov 28, 2004 06:27 PM

I do care what all monitors do, both wild and captives.

Realistically speaking, I am only exposed to captives here, so they are my concern. They, the monitors, are only exposed to cages here, I have no other choice. I do not think I am allowed to let them run free.

I wonder why some one would think monitors in cages are suppose to be like ones out of cages? I wonder what they are thinking? Of course monitors in cages have different conditions to react to. They should react to captivity in a different way. Thats to be expected.

If they do all this and that in captivity, great. IF science says they don't do that in nature, then I really really think its sciences job to figure it out, not ours.

I think we should not worry about science or wild montiors, we should do what we have always done, worry about our captives. If science wants otherwise, good on um. I wish them luck. As you know, they need it. FR

Please remember, I am pro science, its really not about science, its more about some individuals interpitation of science.

jobi Nov 28, 2004 07:08 PM

They say monitors aren’t social…
They say use UVB UVA…
They say photoperiod is mandatory for health…
They say multi-clutching is unnatural and will diminish life expectancy…
They say many more, plenty more…
They say all this without any personal experience to support these claims…
They are beginners trying to show you wrong, this is hilarious and more then I can take.
Tell me why would you want to educate them? I bet if you’d stop helping they still be clueless years from now.

kap10cavy Nov 28, 2004 08:57 PM

First off, thanks for the pics. I always love new pics.
I wonder if some scientist went to south Florida and studied the released monitor, if he or she would find them multiclutching and being social. After all, they are wild now.
Another thing that bothers me is becuase we keep them in boxes they don't consider them wild anymore. I have a young albig that lives in a box that will be just as wild as it wants to be.

Scott
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