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there is a croc on the classified adds that says TAME NILE i have never seen such an abused croc this guy is sick looking he has been fed dog food for years his body is all miss shaped he needs to retire . I AM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SAVING THIS ANIMAL .i would give it to NCEI to live out its natural life im just looking for people who feel the same

I saw that, A 6 year old Nile that is 3ft due to stuntingm and feed on a diet of dog food, crazy. I thought it was a joke when I first read it

its no joke it came in when bob clarck imported it from madisgascar this guy has been totaly neglected i thought there were laws

He doesnt look that "abused" to me. His teeth look heathly, his jaw isnt all curved. You cant see the base of his tail but his belly looks normal. Dog food may not be the best food source becuase its pretty high in fat but not necessarily bad. Gator chow which basically all large croc farms use is nothing more than glorified dog food with a lil different composition mix. Yes he's small for 6 yrs but his nose isnt all rashed up from being in a small enclosure.
And being a croc based forum, it his highly doubtful that anyone here would actually adopt a nile croc.

>>there is a croc on the classified adds that says TAME NILE i have never seen such an abused croc this guy is sick looking he has been fed dog food for years his body is all miss shaped he needs to retire . I AM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SAVING THIS ANIMAL .i would give it to NCEI to live out its natural life im just looking for people who feel the same

i disagre with you we have two different views on animal abuse i dont care for croc chow but it is designed for crocs dog food is not.i also belive finding it a home is no problem but getting a few people to invest in this project might be we must stand for something or will fall for anything

Actually, I think owning a nile croc in a private collection is the height of animal abuse, especially in urban and suburban areas. I cannot even fathom that there is a market for an animal that will grow 15 feet and weight over 1/2 a ton. Very novel owning a Nile croc, human killer, but even in 5 short years that animal could be over 6 feet and very unmanagable. Hopefully in a couple years you can be in a pic with your 6-8 foot subadult.

>>i disagre with you we have two different views on animal abuse i dont care for croc chow but it is designed for crocs dog food is not.i also belive finding it a home is no problem but getting a few people to invest in this project might be we must stand for something or will fall for anything

iv been keeping and breeding crocodilions for 30 years granted i agree with you on the aspect of urban situations you know not of my situations but keeping crocs is not going to stop so one should bare in mind that proper diet and care should be given you have valid points that i agree with completly if every one saw eye to eye where would the fabric of life be if i offended you i apologize p.s. erwin is not a nile he is a saltwater siamese hybred and may get larger than a nile but i am a experienced keeper are you if so please let me know i always like to meet croc people

"Actually, I think owning a nile croc in a private collection is the height of animal abuse,"

Carlos,

American alligators, some in the wild have been seen to get around 12 feet and (seldomly, but) sometimes a tad bit bigger. You don't feel that owning an alligator in those conditions would be cruel? If not, do you feel that possibly 3-4 feet really makes a difference? If you have the experience, time, space, and knowledge, as well as the money to back up your interest, I don't see how that would be animal abuse. I have seen dogs and cats in worse conditions than I have seen a properly cared for crocodilian. Granted, generally speaking most people donot have the experience necessary to handle such a demanding and challenging animal. I personally would be interested in having one at a later time, but I don't feel that I have the experience necessary to handle one properly and safely. Nile Crocodiles are probably the greatest predator on the face of this earth. These should not be in the hands of novice or even intermediate keepers. It usually requires a team of people to properly handle the animal and safely. If you have that, then what is the big deal? This is just my opinion and is not an attack. I just thought I would throw my two cents in.

Chris

I was going to post something and call it a rant.

I felt quite sorry for the animal, not because I thought it was on deaths doorstep, but for the simple minded manner in which the owner was keeping it. And moreso, the manner in which he was presenting it. Now he can say and do whatever he wants but dog food and 'controlled growth' are inappropriate for an animal long term.

When I get a croc or any animal for that matter I don't seek to limit it's growth,i.e stunt the animal. I also seek out the best possible diet and conditions. I think that is the responsible thing to do. I want the beast to be as grand as it can be, it only gets one life.

I use mine in educational presentations also, I just cycle them through. I would never consider stunting or slowing an animals growth for personal use.

I thought about buying that animal just to return it to appropriate conditions.

enough ranting...............
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

i agree with you an animal should be given proper care and nutrition this guy has paid his debt by being a show animal .so i would like to see him get a chance to thrive

Hello everyone,

I agree with everyone in here stating that what that croc has been through is wrongful. Although I guess I do have a few questions floating around in my mind about how stunting effects the overall or longterm health factors of the animal. Chris I looked in your book and couldn't find anything about that particular subject. If you have the time would you mind shedding a little light on that? I understand that if someone owns the animal that they owe it to the animal to let it be all that it can be. I am just interested to know if it can negatively effect the animals overall health. I am not sure if any of you have ever heard of "Kachunga: and the alligator show" or not but I saw it at our states fair this year. They had two alligators that they cycled as to not over-stress just one. Before the show I got a chance to speak with the people that do the show and they had a 8 foot alligator for the show, that they claimed was about 20 years old. Does that seem accurate? I was kind of wondering about that. These are just thoughts and questions that I had that hopefully the answers will be able to feed my brain.

Thanks to those that reply.

Chris

in texas north western populations of aligator only get 7 to 8 foot period.yet southern populations get florida big 8 foot does not seem that unusal as a adult size for some gators

Archie,

yeah. I was rather wondering about that. I know that the genetics of alligators these days just aren't that of very large gators. Thanks for confirming that.

Chris