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Satanics or Eben's? Sorry it bothers me a lot when I see this type of thing. I don't mean to be a kind of a jerk but I hate mislabeled animals.

Funny thing is that the three animals to the right side of the picture are decently colored animals.

Cheers,
boy

that definately bothers me as well. interesting substrate choice as well.... also doesn't say cb or wc. i would hopefully assume cb for the price they are and them " knowing the age"

i just noticed they called them spearpoint satanic as if it were the same thing.... or a hybrid. interesting mix up.

LOL... Everything about that ad makes me laugh... (shaking head)
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Ben

Ben I'm right there with you.

If it matters any bit, they are wildcaught. and they have laid eggs, but are NOT PROVEN BREEDERS!!!

for those of you who don't know this already Proven Breeders are animals that have bred and successfully produced offspring. Yes that means they have had eggs that have hatched out minature versions of the parents.

There is some etiquette to follow when it comes to descriptions of animals for sale.

cheers
Boy

I dont think most of the people selling leaftails know wha they are, to be honest. "Mossy" is the worst case of this, I have seen henkeli and sikorae marked as "mossy", I have seen fimbriatus marked as henkeli, and obviously wholesalers are having a hard time with the Phantasticus/Ebanaui deal.

One of my favorites is when the rare long-tailed ebanaui come in, and they sort of look like both, simple enough if you know about Uros, but they cant ever decide what to call them.

I saw what I believe to have been malahelo at a show once, marked as a "leaftail gecko from Madagascar". Man, thats helpful. I should have bought it, but I didnt know what it was at the time either. Then going home and researching, kicking myself for not picking it up.....

I just think people rely more on us knowing what they have...
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Chameleons, geckos & invertebrates

seems as though the vendors are getting the idea that they're outraging uroplatus hobbyists by advertising and saying "this time with reasonable prices." more like "less ridiculous." i made sure to thank the vendor i just bought a female from for giving one of the first reasonable prices i have seen in the last month or two.

I think that "reasonable price" comment may be my doing. I was talking to that guy about getting something else uroplatus and I told him I was interested in any he had, but only if reasonably priced. He replied with the price, and I told him that was more than I was going to spend ...

Hahah....

-Leah
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Chameleons, geckos & invertebrates

According to Bill Love, through his travels he has seen geckos that resemble the ebenaui complex all over the island. I would be interested to know what comes from the southern range. I've never seen an adult long tailed ebenaui. I would love to see what they look like in comparison to the short tailed version also in comparison to phantasticus. You know photos of all three in various positions to illustrate some of the differences between them all.

cheers
boy

since we're on the topic, i thought i would dig up that old photo i got off these forums a while ago. its the only pic of the long-tailed ebenaui ive ever seen. definitely looks cool, even though i dont think anyone sure if its possibly from crossing phantasticus with ebenaui.

The ebanaui complex is sticky. U. malama(Nussbaum and Raxworthy) looks very similar to this picture. It differs from U. ebanaui in that it is completely lacking spins on the entireity of its dorsolateral surface. It's hard to tell from this picture, and a positive distinction can really only be made by comparisons of the hemipenis structure... Just food for thought... It's doubtfull that this is U. malama being it is only known from one collected specimen.
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Ben

Whoo, It's been awhile since I've been on here. Anyway, here's my two cents:
I didn't get to see the orig pic posted, but I did see the pic from umop. The top individual does look like a long-tail U. ebenaui. They're really not as uncommon as you think. I've seen quite a few back when I was dealing with Uroplatus a lot. I never had a big thing for ebenaui, so I would rarely look into their cages at importers. But the times I did I almost always saw at least one or two long-tailed U. ebenaui in the bunch. They're just not seen as overly special by most Madagascan importers. From what I remember long-tailed U. ebenaui were thought to be found from a certain locality. There was one mountain in northern Madagascar that had an overabundance in the population. I can't remember if this is something I heard from another oral source or if I read it in a taxonomy classification paper. It's been at least two or so years since I've looked at any of them.
U. malama are definitely a bit different from U. ebenaui and phantasticus. When they were described phantasticus and ebenaui were considered the same species (U. ebenaui). But U. malama are much larger with a medium sized tail. It's not overly small like U. ebenaui and not proportionate (sp?) like U. phantasticus; it's in the middle. U. malama are lighter colored with a vertical stripe and have no spines with the exception of over the eyes.
I have copies of the orig paper on U. malama being described as a new species. I'd be happy to start up a new topic on U. malama if people are interested. I can even provide B&W photocopies of the original pics of the U. malama holotype that are in the paper. If interested, email me at Reptiluvr@yahoo.com and/or on here and maybe I'll start up a new post.

Hope this helps,
Robert Gundy