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i think most, if not all of you are against meal worms for beardies, right? can someone tell me why that is? someone here, gave me a breif explenation, but i forgot why it was. the last reptile that i went to, had a bearded dragon breeder, and they told me that they rase there beardies on mealworms. and i must say, the beardies were beautiful, quite large and healthy looking. now, the real reason im asking this is because id like to know what you all think of the mini meal worms? i kno there not exacly new, and im sure youv all herd of them, ive known about them for about 4 months. and every time i see an add i want to order them and try them out, but then i think about, how bad mealies are sapposto be. heres the web page incase you havent herd of them. http://www.minimealworms.com/ the main add is 2 4 month old beardies, one was feed the minis, and the other crickets. the one fed minis was twice the size of the other. so what are your thoughts?
thanx
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
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2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Ok, first off like you said there are 2 different kinds, regular yellow mealworms and the dark (mini) mealworms. With the regular ones there is too much chitin and it is very hard for beardies to digest. Undigested, it can ball up and form a blockage leading to impaction and death. As far as the mini's go, nobody has any proof one way or the other yet. I'm doing a test group with them and haven't seen any negative affects yet but that's not proof of anything.

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

I've ordered some to try on my picky eater. Rob (InTheBlue) say's the feeding response is amazing. I'll let you know how they work out for us.

ok, so its the chitin that is bad, and im guess the minis dont have any of this?
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

I wouldn't say that they have none, but I do think that it's reduced.

so what do yous think about the breeders at the show?
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Every breeder has their own way of doing things - the feeder debate is almost as huge as the substrate debate. YOu're going to get differing opinions and methods wherever you go.

aol, or aim, or yahoo im. id like to talk to you instead of post after post. lol
thanx
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Yep My Yahoo is celeste1249 and my AIM is mellybanelli23

TTYS
Melissa

my little Daisy had crazy feeding response to them (minis) I put a couple thousnd through her and there was no impaction and she took a growth spurt within two days of starting to feed them.... She was an extremely slow grower and may have just been fixing to finally take as growth spurt right before i STARTED feedign and it appeared that the minis were the cause or it could have been the minis... I can't say for positive.... I do know that she was eating like 10 times more food when she started on these guys though and you have to have food to grow...

On a side note..... My son picked up my 15" sub adult cawley/chris red and put him in her cage and i didn't know he was doing it.... Unfortunately, Daisy was dinner and is now pushin Daisys......

I think I need the beardie Shauman to take the curse off of me....LOL
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,
adored by little statesmen, philosophers and divines.
Ralph Emerson

RIP Daisy.
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Stacey

Man Robert, who'd you piss off in a previous life lol. You've got about the worst luck of anybody. Oh well, it's got to get better (can't get much worse).

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

Available usable temperatures must be considered regarding impaction(s) and the animal's ability to process food. If an animal has access to a hot spot topping out at 105 then their food intake and ability to process that food will reflect that. If they have access to 125 their intake and ability to process that food will reflect that as well, and so on. Cool temps are very important too...

Thanks and good luck,

Ian

Well another thing is that the leading cause of Adult Bd death is Fatty Liver disease. Fatty liver disease is something that takes a long time to build up. I personally would not use it as a Staple but more as a treat in limited quantities. Although I am not sure of the lipid(fat) content I would take an educated guess and say that it is probably between 12.7% and 17% by weight . In my book any Fat content in that range is too high for me to feed as a staple.
Thanks,
Randy
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AlphaDragonZ
www.AlphaDragonZ.com

Would you say that the higher fat content would be beneficial to a picky eater/slow grower for a short period of time to encourage the appetite? I have an almost 6-month old who is only 11.25" (She IS growing...just slowly!) and I ordered her minimealies to see if they provoked the incredible feeding response they were supposed to. I'd love to see her appetite pick up and some weight go on.

Thanks,
Melissa

Good Question! The answer is no fat does not cause bones and muscles to grow it causes adipose tissue to be formed. A young healthy beardie should be raised on a high protein diet. The only case were I would consider feeding my dragons a diet with extra fat is when they were recovering from malnourishment. The way you can tell is if the dragon has no fat pads on its head or at the base of the tail. If your dragon is not eating first you should check you basking temps and your lighting. Most of the time the problem can be fixed and it is usually husbandry related. What are your temps, How far is your U.V. away from the floor or basking spot? What is she being fed and how often. What is her light cycle. Has she ever had a fecal There are many things that can cause your dragons not to eat but most are easy to fix. You can contact me through my website if you want some other questions answered.
-Randy

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AlphaDragonZ
www.AlphaDragonZ.com