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Ok!
Now are these a result of selective breeding or do they just pop up like that one day out of a clutch?

I see some breeders selling snakes as het. For these traits so can they mark them as hets. as far as genetics go? Is it a given that if you breed them to an another snake that exhibits similar visual traits that they'll produce offspring that look like them?
Thanx
~ZF

Beware when you see het for vanishing or het for pinner etc...........
You will never see myself or any of the more reputable breeders advertise as such?
It would be more like, "from vanishing patterned parents"or something like that just to let you know there is a good chance of them producing v.p. as well.
Sice its not cut and dry simple recessive its iether vanishing pattern or its not?

shannon

I thought so ... so is it from selective breeding like in hi-white cali kings or is it something that just came about one day?

btw very nice snake.

It depends, is the short answer. Stripe Sinaloan/Nelson (Applegate Stripe) is recessive, two bred to each other produce 100% Stripe, and the stripes are variable though. Het for stripe is real.

There are two different Patternless versions of Sinaloan/Nelson, the more common was created through selective breeding and is a tribute to the efforts of the breeders who created them. They do not follow clear recessive or dominate inheritance. Many “in between” animals are produced that have some pattern reduction. Like Shannon said, I would not call them hets. The second type of Patternless is recessive, hets are possible. There are no “in between” animals. There are only 3 or four of these currently in existence.

Shannon answered about all the other types of Milks much better than I could.

I've been in love with that albino patternless ever since i've seen it. you are a lucky individual.
Thanx for the info.
~ZF

Yes, I am lucky. I bought the parents though because I knew this was a possibility (I paid a premium for them). There was a 50/50 chance the parents were het. Another breeder has also produced a couple from the same stock. So far, his patternless have been het for Albino, not Albino.

The Patternless is a female correct? if so 2x luck. maybe you'll produce these in numbers when you breed her back to one of her siblings, when i saw the two males from her clutch up for sale i was sooooooo tempted, but funds were low. Can't wait to see what she produces. when was she hatched? keep posting!

Rick,
Is your line of patternless simple recessive or co-dom?
Mine is co dom?
shannon

My line is recessive. I have had a couple snakes produced with very high red but no pattern aberrance. The father is high red but not noticeably different from other stock (he is big though). The mother is a het, also with high red but, again, nothing to lead one to suspect anything abnormal. At least one other breeder has produced a couple too, also from "normal looking" parents. The original breeder sold out of everything several years ago. There could be others out there; being recessive, it could remain hidden for generations. I also have an other Nelson's from the original breeder that did not produce fertile eggs last year; she may prove out as well. The Patternless Albino female is a real chowhound and may breed in her second year.

I have seen some of your co-dominate nelson/sinaloan, very nice animals and not nearly as "squirrelly" as the Hondurans.

Rick,

I thank you for the info,

I can't wait to see more of them and I would think that people are lined up for them.

Later shannon