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I have a pair of jungle corns that began regurgitating on a regular basis lately, for months now they been fine, and about 3weeks ago I noticed every time I feed them one of the two or both brought it back up within days. It's not heat because they have adequate heat, and the size of the prey isn't the issue either. so what could it be?

Sorry for the pic, just felt I had to post it.

Looks like that might be just a defication that went through rather quickly, there is stuff that looks like urates or something in the pic too.

Too much heat can cause regurges as can too large of a meal, so don't make the heat too extreme or the meal too large. If it was an isolated incident then it probably isn't a big deal anyway.

I have had snakes regurgitate before and I concluded it was too cold for them to digest. I used to happen in the fall or when it got cold at night and I didn't adjust from the "summer heat set up" (which was minimal) to the fall/winter heating set up.

check to make sure the snake is warm enough during the day and night to digest its meal.

Definitely not a defecation, I didn't actually see him bring it up but there were limbs in there that were very visible, the tail was visible as well, the only thing he digested was the head. And thanx for the info. I didn't know they regurgitate when it's too warm as well I always thought the warmth aided their digestion.

First of all thats a very nice looking grayband there.

Yes,To warm can stress the snake out and make them regurge?

You should probably get some nutri bac so that you can dust there next meal(make it much smaller also)so that the good enzimes are put back into the snakes stumoch.
When the regurge they loose most of there acids and good enzimes they need to break food down.You need to replace that with the nutri-bac.
That stuff works great and is very safe.

shannon

He was a good snake, but I sold him because I couldn't find a female suitable to breed him to. There was some guy in Texas that had some nice gray bands so I figure what a better place... I expect to see some of his hatchlings this upcoming season. i don't think I'll get into them again i had my first died on me and as far as I've read they have a high mortality rate as hatchlings.

Now, nutri-bac? Can I purchase that online?

I hate to bring this up because the forum goes nuts for a month or more every time.
There is a chance of cryptosporidium in those snakes. Do not share any utensils, cages, or decor with the other snakes in your collection until you're sure they're crypto free. Soak their stuff in a mild bleach solution before re-use with other snakes.
Then: keep the temp at a pretty constant 80 degrees, measure this with something better than a turkey probe and give the affected snakes 3-5 days to recover from barfing. Feed them a reasonable meal that you're sure is thawed (feel it) and take it from there.
Meanwhile: collect fecal material from each snake as it becomes available. Collect it continuously and store it individually in ziplock bags, at room temp, away from the other snakes.
If the snakes continue to barf, contact me and I'll connect you to a vet that can take mailed in samples or you can contact your local exotic vet for testing. It's fairly inexpensive insurance.
Wash your hands between cages, handle the suspect snakes last and double check the temps. Jeff Hardwick Jis97@aol.com

Thanx lots of good info, I've always read most if not all of these safety precautions but I never really considered them ... and it may be the simple fact that I handle just about all my snakes one after the other. Thanx again and will keep the fecal samples but I'm a bit curious as to the room temp thing is that safe wouldn't what ever is in there die if kept at room temp.?
~ZF

1. why do you conclude it wasn't a regurg?
2. how many snakes do you have?
3. when did you begin keeping them on the new substrate?
4. when did the cali king die?

also, handling snakes during feeding shouldn't--but could--cause problems, at least with some animals.

terry

Terry,

1. I said it definitely was a regurgitation, I saw limbs in it.

2. i have 17 snakes

3. started using this substrate in `00

4. the cali king(`03) died in `04

I don't handle the snakes in question during feeding or even after. Any time I've ever handled a snake during feeding was for a pic.
~ZF

You'll store the fecal samples at room temp, the snakes remain at 80 day and night.
I agree the pic is more than likely a barfed mouse, sat in the snake around 24 hours. Snake diarrea looks quite different.
Are you feeding huge mice to a puny snake? Sorry, have to ask that question, it's certainly relative to fluctuating temp season and a barfing snake.
Jeff

No they aren't taking huge meals... i've been asked that alot.

I assume not, since they are jungle corns, but had to ask. If they do live together, regurging can be a sign of stress from living together.
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sue

They use to live together a while back without a problem (not recommended), they "slept" in the same hide side by side ... but as a result of getting much grief from my girlfriend I separated the two. The strange thing is tat they both didn't eat for about 2weeks after the separation ... lol ... the probably missed each other.

I wasn't saying that it definately was a defication but there looks to be urates next to it. There are many factors that could have led to the issue, so I think I'd wait until it did it again or maybe even twice before I started any medications or began worrying too much.

About seeing limbs and tail making this a regurge, have you ever eaten corn??????

lol ... the corn question had me crack'n up... i can't every remember seeing limbs in a defecation but, now i think I'll start looking, lol. This isn't the 1st time I've witnesses a regurgitation so that's y I posted the msg in the forum. I've had other snakes bring food back up before but the situations occurred with lots of time btwn them. with these 2 snakes they been bringing food back up for about 2-3 weeks now.
Thanx!
~ZF

I've seen limbs and tails passed by snakes very often. Sometimes the feed item must go through too quickly. I've had snakes with this problem clear up over time. It is fairly common, but not normal.

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